作者的幾個事實並不能證明他的觀點。第一、alberta歡迎歐洲移民非亞洲移民，8万華裔比安省、bc省少多了，怎麽能說它好客呢？再有，該省大部分人是farmers，政治觀點非常保守，也是喜歡叫嚷閙獨立的一個省

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第二、所謂墮胎問題，我看了一本論述的專輯，幾十篇文章。歸根結底，反墮胎纔是一個政治觀點，是宗教組織擔心人口下降而打出來的口號；因爲教徒會盡最大努力把孩子轉化成信徒，對宗教是有好處的。如果一個人懷孕，墮胎與否都是他自己的選擇，根本不需要外力干擾。
第三、edmonton醫療條件最好，和“全民醫療保險”並沒有直接關係。美國醫療技術世界領先，但是窮人一樣得不到照顧，每年成千上萬的退休老人不遠千里來加拿大採購處方葯，説明右派治理下的美國在全民保健上並不成功。當然加拿大保守黨和美囯共和黨是不同的，但是起碼要說清楚，右派執政對大多數人和最底層的人沒有直接好處（當然，大部分底層人士不會承認自己是bottom）。
第四、最後一句話，如果我沒理解錯，作者是說保守黨敢于挑戰“自由、民主、進步”，結論是保守黨不保守。大謬！照作者的邏輯，共產黨纔是最不保守的，它把自由、民主、進步都打到了。
自由、民主是文藝復興以後才廣泛被接受的，除了被中斷數千年的雅典民主城邦。保守黨挑戰這些當今社會基本規則，有開歷史倒車之嫌（我實在搞不懂作者的邏輯，無釐頭的一句話，突然冒出一句保守黨不保守，好像沒有任何材料支持）。

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Just curious, are you a Christian? -simpson(Homer); 2004-6-21 (#1773618@0)

No -startwar(雪山青松); 2004-6-21 (#1773621@0)

Well, your article seems to credit all virtues to religious belief. That is something I don't quite agree. -simpson(Homer); 2004-6-21 (#1773629@0)

保守党的最初主张来自于新教的传统价值，但是经过上百年的发展，显然保守党早已不是一个宗教团体。他们的党员可以有各种宗教信仰，或者无宗教信仰。我支持他们的勤奋劳动，维护传统家庭，反对吸食大麻，减税，小政府大社会等政治主张。 -startwar(雪山青松); 2004-6-21 (#1773661@0)

So, do you think their political opinions still based on their religious belief? -simpson(Homer); 2004-6-21 (#1773666@0)

I think religious belief is one source, but not the only source of their political opinions. And society is changing, everything is changing... I don't think it's that important that where are their opinions from. -startwar(雪山青松); 2004-6-21 (#1773674@0)

I think their social view is primarily from their religious view. Do you still remember their former leader Stockwell Day? People say he is scary. However I would say laughable. Harper is in a better disguise this time. -simpson(Homer); 2004-6-21 (#1773682@0)

记得在国内时最初了解西方有政党叫“保守党”，非常奇怪。咱中国什么都讲先进、进步等等，保守代表着落后，怎么还有自己叫自己保守的？慢慢才了解，所谓的保守是什么意思，如家庭观念的保守，自由经济的保守，政府行为的保守,etc. -seyou(干掉liberal); 2004-6-21 (#1773635@0)

What I understand is that there are two kinds of consevative: fiscal consevative and social consevative. Mike Harris, Joe Clark and Klein all belong to the first one. I only like fiscal consevative. -simpson(Homer); 2004-6-21 (#1773660@0)

作者的幾個事實並不能證明他的觀點。第一、alberta歡迎歐洲移民非亞洲移民，8万華裔比安省、bc省少多了，怎麽能說它好客呢？再有，該省大部分人是farmers，政治觀點非常保守，也是喜歡叫嚷閙獨立的一個省 -kent932(Pilot); 2004-6-22 {976} (#1774244@0)

拣几点和你讨论一下: 阿省的人口比安省少的多. 从人口比例上看, 卡尔加里人口的10%是华裔.从比例上看不低于多伦多 -startwar(雪山青松); 2004-6-22 {419} (#1774258@0)
所以至少说保守党反移民是错误的.否则华人为什么会过去呢?
其次,你说该省大部分人是农夫是一个明显的错误.该省仅两大城市
就集中了全省2/3的人口.

堕胎问题,我认为该文说的有一定道理.如果妇女怀孕不久即堕胎,
可以理解,但是怀孕七八个月以后,胎儿已经成型再堕胎,确实比较残忍.

关于医疗问题,即使他没有表述清楚,我认为你的论述也不严肃.

最后一条,"共產黨纔是最不保守的，它把自由、民主、進步都打到了。"
没有理解,什么叫"打到"了?

Chinese came Canada more than 100 years ago. This fact doesn't prove that Canadians back then were not racists. Therefore, Chinese settle in Edmonton and Calgary doesn't mean to say Consevative are not racists either. -simpson(Homer); 2004-6-22 (#1774374@0)

我的印象里，阿省的新移民和外国人（包括中国人）抱怨“种族歧视”的概率，好像要比安省少得多。也许这和那里的失业率比较低有关。在阿省时间不够长，个人感觉，仅供参考。 -dundas888(登达寺); 2004-6-22 (#1774432@0)

How about Manitoba? Their unemployment rate is one of the lowest in the country. Yet, one of their previous canadidate was talking about "Asian Invasion". I guess, in her mind, asians are not Canadians yet. -simpson(Homer); 2004-6-22 (#1774444@0)

I thought we were talking about Racist and Conservative in Alberta (goverened by Conservative for centries). My view is 仅供参考. Sorry, I know too little about Manitoba (NDP Goverment?). -dundas888(登达寺); 2004-6-22 (#1774457@0)

Sorry, I though you were talking about federal consevative (formal Alliance). I have no problem with Alberta provincial consevative. Actually, I like Ralph Klein. He once had an excellent speech in an Edmonton Chinese -simpson(Homer); 2004-6-22 {142} (#1774476@0)
Restaurant where I was eating. Again, this guy was half drunk by then. Looks funny though.

Whereas Stockwell Day or Harper, I don't know!

I don't like Stockwell Day either. -dundas888(登达寺); 2004-6-22 (#1774480@0)

Stephen Harper in essence is the same as Stockwell Day. But under better disguise. Anyway, I feel hard to vote a Stockwell Day like prime minister who believes that human were created by GOD 4000 years ago. -simpson(Homer); 2004-6-22 (#1774593@0)

Stockwell Day is not running for Prime Minister, if I am not misled. Also, most (if not all) Canadian Prime minister like Martin and Creatien, including the now candidate Harper, they all belive in the same God... -dundas888(登达寺); 2004-6-22 (#1774713@0)

Not all of them follow Bible's teaching like Harper or Stockwell Day. I don't like to see politics mixed with religion. Stockwell Day is man of intergrity. He says what he believes. In this regard, I respect him and -simpson(Homer); 2004-6-22 {431} (#1774736@0)
we all know where his political view from and what he stands for. Harper is somehow not as noble. He is always trying to hide what he really believes. We can see now he plays down his extreme tune a lot.
Does he abandon all his belief in a sudden? Looks like is he is a guy who is willing to sell his ideology to buy a few more votes. Not as a firm believer as Stockwell Day. Too bad, probably his God may not be happy with him!

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作者的幾個事實並不能證明他的觀點。第一、alberta歡迎歐洲移民非亞洲移民，8万華裔比安省、bc省少多了，怎麽能說它好客呢？再有，該省大部分人是farmers，政治觀點非常保守，也是喜歡叫嚷閙獨立的一個省

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