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任何签证,都是按照一定条件只发给某一部分人的. Well, let's discuss if this what you like:Example

Following what you described, as equalization rule in international relationship. All the other countries you want go with your Canadian passport without a visa now say for those Canadian who was originally born in mainland China will need a visa to enter their country. What do you think? We are talking about fairness in front of Law. I don't believe you want to be descrminated by your race, your age, your gender, your original born place...., then why do you want be treated specially because race, age, gender, or place of born? You want it plays good to you, but to be fair, you also have to accept it can play bad to you as well. That is my point.
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  • 枫下茶话 / 社会 / 社会广角系列之 海外侨胞盼望祖国承认双重国籍
    • 如果有了双重国籍,国内的司法执法机关应该怎么对待你这样的华侨呢,也和对待盲流一样,还是先通知使馆?两个国家的法律和公民权益差别实在太多。
      • 仿照加拿大的做法。犯法就抓,当抓自己公民一样。
      • 根据所在地原则:在中国,参照中国的法律;在加拿大,参照加拿大的法律。
        • cross finger...
        • 法律不同. 同样的犯罪,处罚不同,甚至无罪,有了双重国籍到处流蹿吧.不现实.
          • 中国香港公民加入加拿大国籍后,仍然保持香港的中国国籍。
            • 真的吗?那我们拿了加籍可以去香港再拿港籍呀。
            • 香港有其历史原因.50年不变,以后就不好说了.同时申请变成香港公民吧,问题就解决了,呵呵.
        • No exactly. General rule is: If you go to the country with that country's passport, you are treating like its citizen; if you use other country's passport, you are protected by that country.
      • 不懂为什么在这个问题上好多同志老爱扯犯罪的事,好像加拿大华人都不安份,随时准备回去犯罪.事实上犯罪的有几个?感到生活出入不太方便的倒有不少.
    • 对,凡是华人就该给个中国籍。
    • 没有实际可能性,中国不是移民国家
      • 我认为在中国出生, 成长, 说中文的人或海外出生,成长的汉族人, 无论当前身在何方, 持什么护照, 在任何时候都有资格拥有中国国籍. 这不是中国做不做得到的问题, 而是情愿不情愿做的问题.
        • 为什么要是汉族人?
          • 汉族是中国的主流民族. 准许全球汉人随时入中国籍的性质和以色列接纳全球犹太人, 德国接纳全球日耳曼人, 日本接纳全球大和人是一样的. 当然, 不是汉族但出生于中国的人也应随时随地有资格入中国籍.
            • 错!"以色列接纳全球犹太人"没错,但"德国接纳全球日耳曼人, 日本接纳全球大和人"却是大错特错了.
            • 主流民族就该享有特权吗?
    • 根本不可能,我觉得放宽绿卡申请条件才是关键。只要三热爱的广大海外侨胞都可以申请...
    • 真是滑稽! 一个无非想省一点签证费的不忠公民,却以"海外侨胞","广大华侨"的名义发帖!!当初没人让你走,现在又说什么"不能让我们有如归的感觉".实在可笑!
      • 各人出国有各自的原因, 你何以确定一些人出国不是被 "赶"出来的呢?又何以断定双重国籍不是多数华侨的愿望呢?仅仅是为了省签证费吗?可笑之极.
        • 我能确定绝大多数人出国不是被 "赶"出来的.你可以算算海外华侨有多少人,又有几个人是因为没有承认双重国籍而不去"参加祖国建设和参加政府管理"的?你扪心自问,你想有双重国籍干吗?
          说穿了,不就是想省却签证的麻烦,或者不用非买半年的往返票,或者国内买房或其他东东不用按外宾价多花钱吗?说什么“如归”,“自豪”“建设”之类的虚话!!
          • Agree. 说什么“如归”,“自豪”“建设”之类的虚话!
            To be honest, if China's passport can help Chinese go around without any problem. Chinese goverment can support its citizen like US and Canada goverment treat their citizen, I will doubt how many Chinese would like immigrant like now
      • 签证费事小,最主要的是来去自如。没有双重国籍,很多人的移民监就是无期徒刑。不过,同是中国人,香港人却可以持两三个护照,确实不公平。大陆的国籍法适用范围包括香港。
        • 你来去不自由吗?有被中国拒签吗?移民监为什么会是无期徒刑,你若资格不合入不了加籍与双重国籍有何关系?!香港人回归前就可持有多重国籍,邓大人说了:五十年不变。大陆的国籍法适用范围不包括香港。
          • 所谓来去自由,指的是不用签证。至于移民监,你应该明白是什么意思、什么目的吧?香港的护照规定以大陆国籍法为基准,我专门查了香港政府网站才发的帖子。
            • 1.说来说去,还是个鉴证费的问题,只是加了个冠冕堂皇的理由. 2. 你所说的移民监是什么我真的不明白.移民监通常指的是为拿加国护照而住的三年吗?那与双重国籍有吗关系?! 3.post一下网站,让我看看这个"基准"是怎么说的.
              • 住满三年之后如果继续住在加拿大,那么这三年就没必要称为“监”了。所谓“监”就是不想住而不得不住的地方。“监”期满了,就要走了。那个网站:Google: 香港政府。
              • 怎么这么冲动?
                • 没有冲动,就事论事而已.只是看不惯有些人为蝇头小利说那些冠冕堂皇的假话.
      • 根据多伦多信息港网上调查, 90%以上的华人希望双重国籍. 此事已引起国内高度重视, 并已有人大,政协委员的提案.
        • 这里所说的“高度重视”指的是什么?有什么表现?仅仅是有提案是不足已成为高度重视的。
          • 接受你的说法, 政府已经开始研究相关问题, 但尚未达到所谓的"高度". 这个词用的不恰当.
        • 国内的贪官最盼望这个吧. 出了事,代上钱到国外一待.
          • 很多贪官手里有好几个护照。真正卡的是小老百姓。
        • 可能99%以上的华人希望双重国籍吧!(也许除了赖xx).但大多数无非想两边得好处。你以为拿橡皮图章的人大,政协委员就是傻瓜?就会信你的“如归”,“自豪”??!
          • Disagree this time. 99%以上的华人希望双重国籍吧. This 双重国籍 looks even ridiculus in Canada. Immigrants can chose to be a Chinese citizen with Canadian Green Card, nobody force you giving up Chinese citizenship.
          • "想两边得好处"有什么见不得人吗?到中国投资的不都是想在中国捞好处吗?只要客观上有助于中国发展不就好吗?
            • 即使没有什么见不得人的,也谈不上光荣,更犯不上高喊“如归”、“自豪”、“建设”之类的虚话。
      • why do you want 如归的感觉? You are a Canadian citizen! You take oath. This is your country. 广大华侨? THis method has been used by Chinese gov't for a long time. To be reality, you are who you are, not 广大华侨
    • support!
    • 同时, 请双重纳税.
      • 未必. 加拿大承认非税务公民身份.
    • 支持一下,不过我可没你那么高尚,我就想两边的好处都占着。黑黑@
      • 他只是嘴上高尚,心里想的与你我一样.
    • 现在肯定是不可能的. 国内的贪官最盼望这个吧. 出了事,代上钱到国外一待. 想回国发展,申请签证就可,比起美加签证容易多了.入籍时有效忠XX的吧,
      中国和其他国家有利益冲突时,你怎么办?不能两边讨巧,当国家是傻子吧. 双重国籍还不是时代潮流!
      • 贪官怎么到加拿大呆3年,取得加籍?在中国犯法,逃出来也得押回去。
        • 身边的孤儿寡母有不少是入了籍的吧.我知道不少国内的官,PR是肯定有了. 看看赖畅行吧,小贪们来了,国内能怎么样呢?反正在在加国不违法就行.
          • 赖畅行迟早也得给我押回去。
            • 他回去可不是因为国内的事, 加不关心. 关键是他来加的方式和在加干的事,违法,所以肯定待不了.
              • 另外,在中国要有权才行; 在加拿大,要有钱才行. 嘿嘿. 对老百姓, 哪里过的好,就去哪里. 现在国家是放开了,看看人家要不要. 但扯着爱国的旗子咋呼,就有点说不过去了.
      • 中国政府官员的任命应当包括其居住地必须在中国这样的条件;在中国任职的中国官员,不可能成为外国居民。现在中国大陆不承认双重国籍,贪官不照样一个接一个地往外跑?
        • 见上,更方便吧.双重国籍不仅仅是加国吧.收复台湾时,西方国家肯定反对,会有战争的.双重国籍者怎么办?看看二战在美的日本人吧?集中营里待着.在加的还是不要惹这个麻烦吧.想回去,不麻烦.
          • 国家利益高于个人利益. 说句不好听的, 双重国籍要提的的话,也是国内的人有资格. 不想中国交税,只是会说汉语,吃中餐的底气不会怎么足吧,奇怪.
            • 在加拿大的人, 正经事是维护在加华裔的权利. 如父母团聚,要想政府施压,凭什么交怎么多的税,养着难民,父母却不行? 还有注意关心华裔的议员. 要展现华人的声音,维护自己的权利,毕竟要在这活下去.
              • "父母团聚" is 在加华裔的权利? Is it "维护" or fight for it? "维护" is something already there. Support 要展现华人的声音, go to vote next time,
                if Chinese voting ratio goes up, any politician has to pay attention.This is the game rule in the domestic country like Canada.

                UNfortunately, some Canadian Chinese have a lot of excuse not going to vote. Do you know each time they have statisticall data to analyze? If you want politician listen to you, go to vote every time - municipal, province, federal. That's the only way you can have pressure on the politicians. Don't believe 1,000 people gather on Queen's park can change anything unless you have a large amount population who has voting right to back you. We used to crying out to our gov't officers and try to gain some mercy - that's not the right way to do it. The vote right is the ultimate power for a single citizen. Don't think one of you can't change anything, but we all together, it can make things happen regardless you vote to which party.
              • 中国交怎么多的税, 养着中国政府官员, gifts 10 billions to other countries to buy political supoort, what do you think? Not a chinese critisize that, but it is easy to critize Canadian gov't
                I don't say canada's sysytem is perfect, i don't like the high income tax either. We might can chage it if more and more Canadian want to. However, it works Ok so far.
              • It looks you do not like 养着难民. Expect some cheating happens (as a matter of fact, some are Chinese ), it is why I think Canada is better than China.
                Based on human rights. Because those countries open a door to 难民, they can survive and have the opportunity to start their new lives again. It is limited help for those lost their home or countries, but that makes Canada a better place to live. Don't you think?

                Besides, 交怎么多的税, not only 养着难民. Once your 父母 come, they can benefit from the free health care, social support, etc...., thne for those do not having their 父母 immigrant to Canada, can they complain 交怎么多的税, 养着 some people never make a contribution to this country. To be fair!
        • 你们看你们看,人家rollor一说就说到点子上。
    • 还是发回乡证比较有实际意义。
      还是发回乡证比较有实际意义。比照港台模式相当于绿卡。
      • 回乡证只给有中国国籍的人。我个人觉得“亲情签证”比较好。有效期至护照有效期止,允许不限次入境,允许从事较多的工商业活动。
        • Then what is fairness? You want to discriminate other citizens from that country not originally from mainland China? If not, how 亲情签证 can apply to them?
          • 所谓亲情,当然是有亲戚情谊的人。如果一个西方人跟中国家庭联姻,那么也 可以考虑给予她这个签证。
            • You misunderstood what I was saying here. Do you think it plays fair if a country offer portion of another country's citizen special 亲情签证 while exclude other citizens in that country?
              This happens in China called the special right. Or here, discrimiantion. I believe you do not like both. AM I right? So to be fair.
              • 任何签证,都是按照一定条件只发给某一部分人的。只要这些条件合情合理合法,就不存在歧视问题。
                • 任何签证,都是按照一定条件只发给某一部分人的. Well, let's discuss if this what you like:Example
                  Following what you described, as equalization rule in international relationship. All the other countries you want go with your Canadian passport without a visa now say for those Canadian who was originally born in mainland China will need a visa to enter their country. What do you think? We are talking about fairness in front of Law. I don't believe you want to be descrminated by your race, your age, your gender, your original born place...., then why do you want be treated specially because race, age, gender, or place of born? You want it plays good to you, but to be fair, you also have to accept it can play bad to you as well. That is my point.
                  • 国际旅行时,使用哪国的护照就被当做哪国公民。比如进入美国,出示加拿大护照则不需签证;如果出示中国护照就需要签证。怎么个不公平法?真正不公平的,是在以加拿大护照进入美国并被判违法驱逐出境后,被遣送到另一个国家。
                    • Well, What I am trying to say is 亲情签证 is more emotional, but it is not fair thing to do. When a country give visa to another country's citizen, it has to be equalized.
                      I agree 任何签证,都是按照一定条件只发给某一部分人的. But some common ground we have to draw here is to see if they are acceptable in today's environment. Treating somebody based on his/her Race, Gender, Sex-Oriented, place of born is 歧视问题 today. We enjoyed being a Canadian because we are treated as a Canadian citizen like others in this country regardless your color, your original born place, your gender, and your age, etc...

                      Well, a good idea, but I do not agree and do not think 这些条件合情合理合法
    • 可申请中华民国国籍。中华民国允许双重国籍。严格意义上中华民国宪法规定中国大陆是中华民国领土,所以在中国大陆出生的人有权依宪法申请成为中华民国公民。中华人民共和国认为中华民国公民为琪公民,因此可持台胞证入境。
      • "中华民国在台湾"允许双重国籍吗?好像不行吧!要么当初李远哲为啥得放弃美国公民身份去当"中央研究院"的院长?
        • 問: 我是華裔,同時我持有外國護照,請問我可不可以申請護照?
          • 答: 如果您具有中華民國國籍,就可以申請我國護照。在申請的時候,必須提出具有我國國籍的證明文件。
    • 总体来讲.中国在外交方面还是个弱国.除了牵扯到台,藏,疆的问题.中国政府大体上是弃权,能不管就不管,更不会顾及那些绝大多数虽然爱国,却不再报效祖国的海外华侨了.
      直到中国真的强大到想要称霸了,才会先承认双重国籍,再像希特勒并吞苏台德一样先并吞温哥华(现在70%华人),再并吞整个加拿大.那时就不用双重国籍了,大家都是中华人民共和国加拿大特别行政区的中国海外居民了.
    • 仅供参考: “1909年,清政府正式颁布《大清国籍条例》,明确宣布实行血统主义的国籍原则,所有具有中国血统的中国移民,即使已加入了外国国籍,也都认为是中国公民。
      1912年,中华民国政府颁布《中华民国国籍法》,1929年,又颁行修订的《中华民国国籍法》,两者的共同特点都是坚持血统主义原则。......实际上是承认华侨拥有双重国籍。
      1949年,中华人民共和国成立以后,中国政府明确表示反对双重国籍原则。......1980年开始实施的《中华人民共和国国籍法》,明确规定了中华人民共和国不承认中国公民具有双重国籍的原则。”

      “目前,我国旅外3000多万(一说5000多万)侨胞,一般估计,已有超过90%的人加入了居住国国籍,成为外籍华人,依然保留中国国籍的华侨已不足10%了”

      ---- 摘引自《五邑华侨华人史》P5--P6