本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛我的信仰历程还短，这里只谈我自己的一些理解，不用1.2.3.4

神的诫命是"爱神"和"爱人如己"，其中"爱人如己"一条应该就比"博爱平等"来得大，我们对待自己的亲人都不能做到爱和平等，何谈博爱？你不认为爱人如己比平等的要求更高吗？至于动物如何，我还真没有去考虑。

你举出德国海德堡那个著名的城堡垒，你自己也说是教徒的行为，为什么要和教义联系起来。

信我者昌（进天堂）逆我者亡（下地狱）是你的总结，你可以随意批驳你的总结，我没有意见。

圣经不是分明人按自己的需要写的吗? - 圣经是神的默示，至于可兰经中如何，你如何的不同意，我也没有意见。

上帝给了人自由意愿却不给人思想的权力. - 人背离神的话，吃的那个果子是识别善恶(opinion)的果子，并非是识别对错(fact)的果子。我们每个人如果可以识别善恶，难免把别人归为恶，认为自己为善，你看看Rolia的帖子就知道如此行的结果了。换而言之, 神认为罪的根源在于人自以为可以识别善恶, 不过既然已经吃了, 只好用"爱神"和"爱人如己"的诫命来修正.

基督教的基本教义是什么? - 因信称义。不是因信而义。假如因为某些基督徒自以为高人一等(opinion, not fact)，就得出教义有问题的结论，我想你也会不同意. 我的建议是: 如果你愿意批驳基督教义, 最好直接批驳圣经里的字句, 我想这才是科学的态度. 不知你对<罗马书> 有什么意见?

科学是追求真理的工具, 而不是真理本身. 最伟大的科学家也不能告诉我一些最基本的问题的答案: 为什么要爱别人? 为什么活着?......更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

而且神的世界和人的世界没什么两样, 一样的七情六欲, 偷盗奸淫, 自私武断, 虚伪造势, 狭隘加仇恨, 一样不少, 连战争也不少. 活在人世就够乱的, 神的世界也是如此, 信这个还嫌乱得不够吗?

不如找个老和尚讲讲道, 至少讲得东西超脱现实, 你说是虚的也无伤大雅, 不象基督, 必须以他做真实生活的向导, 动不动就拿升天下地来威胁你.

佛教实际上是一种哲学, 基督教跟李大帅有一点象

贴主看来还得再多google，多看看些资料。国内教育的、中学里学的一套离事实还是有距离的。

由于N种原因, 最终又离开了教会的本人, 本没有资格为基督教辩护, 但我个人认为上面的文章混淆了几个问题：

1。请不要把人犯的错误归罪于基督教或其他宗教，就如同不能因为个别僧侣的荒唐行为而否定了佛教一样。
2。请不要用科学去论证任何宗教的正确与错误，反之亦然。
3。不能说基督教从诞生那一天起就是反科学的，它们两者扯不到一块。
如果说该宗教一贯反科学，历史上如此多的发明创造者是基督徒或天主教徒就说不过去。
3。人的犯罪源于人的自私本能，与任何宗教信仰无必然关系。与此相反，多数的宗教都是倡导人们向善的。缺乏宗教和没有信仰约束的人或社会是可怕的，比如今日的中国大陆。

个人观点，欢迎争鸣。

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛形而下学

这顶“帽子”不是我造的，《周易·系辞》中有“形而上者谓之道，形而下者谓之器”；有形而上学，也就会有形而下学，翻译成地球上说中文的人都懂的话，指从具体到抽象的、以实证分析为主的研究思路，形而下学研究是当今显学。

但是，以１２１君所举的若干证据是否足以让圣经一夜之间就变成人们信仰上的“Hurricane Katrina”？而佛教的教义却一下子又高大全起来了呢？

说到佛教，我也形而下学一把，不提梁武帝，武则天，朱元璋这些屁股一个比一个不干净的贵的不能再贵的佛教徒；就说说藏传佛教徒们从古到今一式不变的沿阶跪拜，看着石阶上斑斑血迹，别告诉我那是他们在叩谢佛给了他们众生平等的权利！

圣经佛经背后有许多故事，写它们的人当然有其目的性；可我们这些读诵的人不也有着选择的权利吗？有人可以用它们巧取豪夺，愚人耳目；有人可以闭门思过，与人为善；１２１君不也可以举着“圣经”，反“圣经”吗？

圣经是对西方文明有贡献的经典之一；一本胡说八道的东东却歪打正着地让人文明一把，对这种济公式的幽默，我选择－－－笑，１２１君不批判吧？

请尊重别人的选择，请尊重别人的选择的信仰，请尊重别人解释他们选择的信仰！

至于，１２１君称基督徒不配谈论科学的断论，倒有点形而下学者的风格；陶恩斯、费曼、柯林斯、勒德博格、霍义尔、彭若斯、谢菲尔等大腕也就一说“科学与宗教不一定冲突”；人文和科学的对立也在逐步缓和，杨大师的春天不是也来得非常实事求是吗？

信仰让人们学会感谢，但感谢谁谁谁并不重要，重要的是一定要有一颗感谢的心！更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

并出示你有资格在各大论坛谈论科学以外的东西的证明或执照...

，那本是我们来的地方，一个在现实世界中还没有成家的人性格是不安稳的，在灵魂上没有家的人也是如此，看看你的网名就知道你在这个世界的状态了。
你完全可以用你的所谓的科学的态度去认识基督，但首先一个重要的过程你必须经历的就是要进入这个世界，去体验，才能有认识。

---- 每日思过，今天你卖国了没有？ ----

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛The definition of Hell is a place without God. Hell can be in your heart, just like Heaven can be in your heart.

The ruler of Hell is Satan. If he was defeated by the all mighty God, would Hell still exist?

If only believers could go to Heaven, then Jesus' death was in vain. Because Satan took away more of God's creatures than God could, God became the loser...

If the sun was created to shine on the good and the bad, then the bad should not be burning in hell eternally...

Jesus loves us.. He is love. He even died for sinners. He prayed and begged forgiveness for those who crucified him... just imagine the kind of love.... If he is love, who is so forgiving, will he enjoy seeing people burning eternally in hell? No.. this is against the nature of God.

The Bible said that no one can come to God except through the Holy Spirit, which is God, then it is not our own striving, struggle, that can get us to Him... He will eventually draw us to him. If in the end, we, or many of us refuse to listen to him, that means he fails to do what he wants to do... But the Bible says that nothing is impossible for God....

Below you will read some supports from the Bible itself.

Hell, Questions and Answers

Understanding that God is not going to throw people into a literal hell is wonderfully glorious and God-honoring, and the traditional belief is so hopeless, sad and futile and God-dishonoring.

The traditional way depends upon our choice for or against God, and therefore we deserve what we get. Yet 2 Cor. 4:4 and many other verses say we cannot see the light of the gospel. "In whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." Then there are so many verses that say God chose us. The traditional belief depends in part on Christ's atonement and in part on our choosing. Therefore it is based on our efforts, and we can be proud of our good choice and somehow deserve "heaven."

I have a whole list of verses saying we cannot come to Him unless He draws us:
John 6:65; "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
John 8:43 "Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word."
John 14:16,17 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever. That is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you."
Rom.8:6-8, "For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God."
Therefore it depends on God - His will and His strength to accomplish it.

Does He have the will to save everyone?
Acts 15:17 "`So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by My Name'" says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago." Remnant of men may seek the Lord.
1 Tim.4:10 He is the Savior of all men. Let's take a shipwreck as an example. If someone came to save the people, he could not say he was the savior OF ALL on board if some drowned.. If you offered help and they didn't take accept it, he would be the savior FOR ALL, but not of ALL. ) "For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers."
Rom.11:32 mercy on all. " For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all."
Rom.16:25-26 "Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past, but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith." All nations might believe.
1 Cor. 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive." All shall be made alive.
Phil.2:10 "So that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth." Every knee shall bow to the glory of God. God looks at the heart. An outward expression that does not come from the heart is an abomination to the Lord.
Isaiah 66:23 "And it shall be from new moon to new moon and from sabbath to sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me,", says the Lord." All nations will come and bow down before the Lord.
1 Tim 2:3-4 wants all men to be saved "This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth."

Can God accomplish His will or is the will of man too strong? Throughout the Bible we see examples of God accomplishing His purposes despite man's will and choices.

Let's answer the following questions carefully and truthfully. Is it glorifying to God to believe He will torture His own creation forever? What does it mean "His mercy endureth forever?" What kind of people delight in the thought of the torturing of the unsaved to validate their work? Do they have the love of the Father in them? What is the purpose of the parables that speak of finding that one lost sheep, and that one lost coin?

1 Peter 3:17-20 "For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong. For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water." Why did Christ preach to the unsaved in 'prison' from the time of the flood, if there was no chance to repent after physical death?

Do Christians think so little of God that they think no one would come to Him based on how wonderful He is? They think the only way people will come to Him is if He threatens torture? Yet, He says His love draws us. Maybe Christians don't have a clue about His love. We wouldn't think much of a father who threatened to burn a child who didn't say he loved him.

Would God do something that He forbids us to do?
Leviticus 16:21 " You shall not give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God; I am the LORD."
Lev, 20;2-4 "Any man from the sons of Israel or from the aliens sojourning in Israel who gives any of his offspring to Molech, shall surely be put to death; the people of the land shall stone him with stones. I will also set My face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given some of his offspring to Molech, so as to defile My sanctuary and to profane My holy name. If the people of the land, however, should ever disregard that man when he gives any of his offspring to Molech, so as not to put him to death, then I Myself will set My face against that man and against his family, and I will cut off from among their people both him and all those who play the harlot after him, by playing the harlot after Molech."

In offering a child to Molech, the child was placed in the arms of this image. A fire was started underneath the arms, so that the child would burn to death. God was against this practice! Would God then, turn around and carry on this practice Himself, only in a more horrible way? In an everlasting torment? That is entirely against the nature of God!更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

我有一些朋友，就是玩科学的，您想拜拜吗？科学和智慧果，蛇，大天使一样不过是神的造物罢了，是神的计划和目的的一部分而已。这些造物看起来很有意思，其实漫无目的，单独存在时全无意义。就象楼主这篇妙文大谈资格问题，不过是让上帝再度发笑罢了, 基督徒该干嘛还干嘛科学也一点不差

其实你最好找出根据否定圣经本身。那样参与讨论的人会更多。

把它放在“......给信望爱及热心与传教的同学" 这篇文章里，我明白作者的具体所指和用意。