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The point is that you have technical limitations because you have to break the entire computer systems of company computes for doing such things.But you are thinking the way without current technical limitations.

The difference is that I am IT professional and you are not. I know what's improbably technically while you don't know what's improbable, which are limited even by latest technology.

In other words, If you are blind, I won't laugh you because I can see what you can't see. I just help you to see what I see for your references. That's my expertise.

By the way, If you intent or pretend that you are thinking the way without current technical limitations, that would be a difference story as you said by your post of (#2629066
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  • 工作学习 / 专业知识杂谈 / 我的电脑屏幕好像被老板监视了,他好像能从他的屏幕上看到我再做什么,他安装了什么软件在我机器上吗?我怎么知道?谢谢
    • landesk就可以remote control, 我们用这个对客户进行support.
      • In theory, his screen can't be watched illegally. His boss also doesn't have rights to do such things.
        though there are many tools can be used as viruses and spywares to watch his screen and steal his password technically.
        • In theory, his screen can be watched legally all the time. His boss(the company) does have rights to do such things, as long as the company owns the computer.
          • Do you your very own agree that his boss(the company) does have rights to install toilet camera for monitoring his activities anytime in the washroom as long as the company owns or rents the office and the washroom?
            • We are talking computer not toilet.. " install toilet camera for monitoring his activities anytime in the washroom " is a crime.
              • Same principle, Company adminstrators are not allowed to know users password, which they only can reset it if users forget their password. Your "such things" will allow all computer adminstrators to be "KING"
                • Man, What are we talking about ? What are you talking about ?
                  • Same principle. If install toilet camera is illegal, The bosses break the entire computer systems of all company computers for doing "监视电脑屏幕" is also not legitimate.
                    • Why is " The bosses have to break the entire computer systems of all company computers for doing "监视电脑屏幕" ?
                      • You got my points. But you need time to learn it if you are interested.
                • "Company adminstrators are not allowed to know users password..." How about the owner of company?
                  • The security features of any computer operating system do NOT allow users passwords to be known by others. Your "such things" override the security of each computer operating system of company computers.
                    • We are talking about owner's authority other than computer system security. That bosses are not able to get password from network system doesn't mean they don't have right to get it legally.
                      • You just said that the bosses have to break the entire computer systems of company computes for doing "such things". The bosses do have owner's authority to use any of their computer or toilet as I told you already.
                        If you are only talking about owner's authority other than computer system security. Our discussion is over. We all agreed that the bosses do have owner's authority to use any of their computer or toilet as I told you already. Even employees also have authority to use their company computer or washroom.

                        But in theory, his screen can't be watched illegally. His boss also doesn't have rights to do such things. Do you know the differeces from "use computer and use toilet" to "break computer and install toilet camera"???
                        • Computer & toilet are different. Discussion is OVER!
                          • Do you know the differeces from "use computer" to "break computer" for "such things"???
                            as an owner, you have neither right nor Privilege to install toilet camera. as an owner, you have neither right nor Privilege to break the entire computer systems of all company computers for doing "监视电脑屏幕"
              • I am trying to think your way without current technical limitations, Why toilet camera can't be installed if the toilet camera is able to detect who is thief and will automatically shutdown if goodman detected?
                Come on, MAN, give me a break !
      • 哪里能找到这个软件?谢谢。
        • 软件WINXP自带的,进入SYSTEM设置一下就可,或者装个兔子,将你的系统设置一下,或者自己开发一个虚拟屏,好像有下载的将WINXP变成类UNIX,老板看到的是你整天不干活.我上班还打游戏呢.在老板查电脑前,将EVENT.LOG清空即可
    • 谢谢
    • 很多种远程工具都可以,你如果熟悉的话,可以自己检查有哪些services启动了
      • For watching his screen, his boss doesn't need to install or do anything to his PC as long as his PC is connected to company network for internet access by his VPN or Ethernet network card. Nothing to do with 注册表 and local services.
    • Get a firewall and stop it.
      • personal firewall can't stop all of those viruses and spywares.
      • Right, monitor all TCP connection and block all UDP traffic!!
    • VNC
    • Check Control panel->Network connections->Local conection and disable Local connection. Only enable the local connection when you need to check company email or check in your code.
      Because you have company public firewall, you thus don't need additional personal firewall if you don't like your screen to be watched illegally. You can just disable your PC network connection to the company network and enable it only when you need it.

      By the way, you also don't need to disconect and plug your network cable of the ethernet port of your PC physically. You can enable/disable it by click on the button for the same result as you take out your network cable from ethernet port of your PC physically.
      • 馊主意。
        • You are right. If I were him, I won't worry because I have nothing need to be watched. But it's illegal for those viewers, who are doing such things.
          • Using company's computer is your privilege, not your right. Sure, company can monitor your computer activitives any time to make sure you use it for business purpose only.
            • Do you your very own agree that using your company's washroom is your privilege, not your right. Sure your company can install toilet camera for monitoring your activities anytime in the washroom
              to make sure you use it for business purpose only.

              then we can discuss it further if you agree.
              • Do you know the diffrence betwwen PRIVILEGE and RIGHT ?
                • The bosses have both PRIVILEGES and RIGHTS to use company computers,which should not be breaking company computers for your "such things".
                  • MAN, as an owner, you have right. Privilege is a favor. You need know what is your right and what is a privilege.
                    • Man, as an owner, you have neither right nor Privilege to install toilet camera. as an owner, you have neither right nor Privilege to break the entire computer systems of all company computers for doing "监视电脑屏幕"
                      • You mean I can not break my own computer if I want to ? Come on, MAN, give me a break !
                        • That's company systems, which isn't your own computer at home. Even it's your home PC, what do you think as parents if your children told you what you claimed here???
            • wrong. using computer not only a privilege,also a privacy. I was trained by my company that company should not view my email,that is a privacy, even my mail is not about business;
              • Yes, the company has no right to review YOUR (personal ) email. But private company has any right to rview your emails if you are using company's email adress and company's resources (such as computers, network)
                • The point is that you have technical limitations because you have to break the entire computer systems of company computes for doing such things.But you are thinking the way without current technical limitations.
                  The difference is that I am IT professional and you are not. I know what's improbably technically while you don't know what's improbable, which are limited even by latest technology.

                  In other words, If you are blind, I won't laugh you because I can see what you can't see. I just help you to see what I see for your references. That's my expertise.

                  By the way, If you intent or pretend that you are thinking the way without current technical limitations, that would be a difference story as you said by your post of (#2629066
                  • Man, the point is if private company has the right to monitor its employee's internet activities in the workplace, which is nothing to do with technical limitations. This is a legal issue, not a technical issue
                    • (#2630754
                      • Please follow the topic. FYI. This article may help you to understand the issue. Please read it. #2630709 Thanks.
    • 查看注册表,定位后把它DISABLE,就OK啦。
    • 改变你使用应用程序的习惯:用字符界面的:浏览器用lynx, 命令用DOS prompt,如果远程登录到自己私有的服务器用ssh, 。。。。。累死监视你的老板!!
    • 瞧那些人出的主意, 雇主有权监视你工作时间的情况. 搞那些反措施, 小心丢了你的工作.
      • 馊主意.雇主不是白痴,给你工作是为了多要点税收,要监视你干吗??? how many staffs will be needed to be hired for such things 24*7?
        • 雇主当然不是白痴, 监视你是为了提高效率. 你上班时间去的任何网站. 公司都有记录. 有些公司打的电话都有录音. 我的意思是上班时间做好你本职工作. 有没有人监视你其实没有关系.
          • (#2630722
    • That is illegal in europe. Same thing, your email should not be monitored by anybody either. Ortherwise the company broke the law.
      • Illegal ? May be not. Here you are. FYI. Privacy vs. Policy: E-Mail and Internet Abuse in the Workplace
        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Privacy vs. Policy: E-Mail and Internet Abuse in the Workplace

        June 17, 2002

        by: James L. Morris

        © Rutan & Tucker, LLP


        Scenario 1: An employer finds several of its employees have used the company’s email system for months to circulate racial and ethnic jokes and sexually-oriented pictures found on the Internet. The employer fears these items could be used against it in a sexual or racial harassment suit alleging a hostile work environment. The company fires the employees. They sue, alleging the employer invaded their privacy by monitoring their e-mail.

        Will they win? Probably not, but the outcome may depend in part on what the employer has done to inform them that company e-mail is not private.

        Scenario 2: Same as above, except here, the employer first learns of the specific e-mails when other employees sue the company for race and sex discrimination. The plaintiffs claim the employer knew or should have known about pervasive misuse of its e-mail system to circulate these derogatory jokes and sexual pictures. The employer tries to “put the genie back in the bottle” by firing the employees who circulated the e-mails. The discrimination plaintiffs demand broad-ranging discovery into all the company’s e-mails, including archived and supposedly “deleted” e-mails.

        Did the employer act too late to avoid liability in the discrimination lawsuit? Has the employer now whipsawed itself into facing suits by the discrimination plaintiffs and the terminated e-mail abusers? One thing is certain: The employer will spend a lot of money just in sifting through (possibly even reconstructing) and producing its reams of e-mails in litigation discovery.

        These two scenarios are composites of situations faced at various companies. Here’s a third one, involving a current case in the Southland: An employer provides an executive with a computer at his desk and another for him to use when working from home. A few months later, the employer finds the office computer has pornography on it, and terminates the executive.

        He sues, alleging he was fired because valuable stock options he held were about to vest. He claims the porn on his computer came from sites that “just popped up” while he was working.

        The employer’s counsel, seeking to establish a pattern of the executive having accessed pornographic web sites, demands he turn over the home computer. The executive refuses, saying it contains personal information such as his tax returns that he has a right to keep private.

        That won’t wash, will it? Again, probably not – but that case is still pending.

        In the rapidly developing world of the technology-enhanced workplace, the law is having a hard time keeping up, especially in the realm of employers’ rights to inspect, monitor, and control their workplace, versus employees’ asserted privacy rights.

        The issue is one of growing concern, not just because of the potential for lost productivity as employees ogle porn sites or manage fantasy sports teams on company time. The courts over the past several years have expanded the circumstances in which employees’ personal use of company computers and e-mail systems can expose employers to civil or even criminal liability.

        Traditionally, a employer has been held liable for acts committed by employees that are within the “scope of employment” or in furtherance of the employer’s interest. A trucking company, say, could be liable if one of its drivers got drunk and killed someone with a company truck in a road accident. On the other hand, if the driver took the company truck to his estranged wife’s home and shot her, the company should not be liable, as long as it had no reason to believe he would do that.

        More recently, however, courts have not predictably applied the standard that the employee be acting to further the company’s interest. Virtually any activity involving company facilities or equipment can create liability if it can be shown that the company knew or should have known about it. In the electronic realm, the existence of backup files containing e-mails, logs and pages accessed on the Internet can be enough to argue the company should have known.

        Thus, firms can be exposed to liability for everything from sexually or racially harassing e-mails, to the display of pornography on computer screens, to a day-trading employee’s attempt to manipulate a share price by sending false information to an online bulletin board or chat site.

        On the other hand, the courts also have given employers fairly broad protection against claims of invasion of privacy in monitoring employees’ e-mails and use of company computers. The catch: Employees first must be made aware that their computer use is subject to monitoring.

        In a case closely tracking Scenario 1 above, the court decided the employer had a legitimate business interest in firing the employees because they were creating a potentially hostile work environment for other employees. The court also relied heavily, however, on the company’s written e-mail policy, which said e-mails were to be used for business purposes only.

        In the third scenario above, in which the executive withheld the computer he had taken home, the trial court initially upheld the man’s argument and refused to order him to produce the computer. A Los Angeles court of appeal overturned that ruling earlier this year, finding that the executive did not have a “reasonable expectation of privacy” (the legal standard for invoking privacy protection) because he had signed the company’s computer-use policy, which clearly stated the company could and would monitor use. The court of appeal also said personal information such as tax returns could be the subject of a protective order accompanying the order to produce the computer, to bar that information from being copied or distributed by the company attorneys.

        So, what can employers do to protect themselves while not stepping across the invasion-of-privacy line?

        If an employer provides Internet or e-mail access to employees, that access should be conditioned upon employees’ documented acceptance of a clear company policy that:

        1) states that the access is to be used for business purposes only, and that any harassing or offensive communications are strictly prohibited and could result in disciplinary action, including termination. This will help reduce liability as well as make employees aware of the proper use of the Internet and e-mail, cutting down on lost productivity.

        2) states that the employee’s use is subject to monitoring and review.

        3) is in writing and effectively communicated to employees. An employer’s best protection is to have employees sign copies of the policy in which they acknowledge they have read and understand it, and include those in their personnel files. As added protection, some employers install a pop-up or pre-logon screen that re-notifies users of the company’s policy each time they turn on the computer.

        4) is strictly enforced. Employers should take action promptly (and even-handedly) if they detect improper or illegal computer use.

        These steps can help shield employers from invasion of privacy lawsuits while giving employers the tools to nip in the bud activities that could expose the company to civil or even criminal liability.

        Jim Morris is a partner in the Labor and Employment Department at Rutan & Tucker LLP, representing management. He can be reached at (714) 641-5100 or by email at jmorris@rutan.com.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
        • The articale is great, but can't support your points.If the toilet camera is NOT able to detect who is thief and will automatically shutdown if goodman detected, then...
          we won't discuss further regarding whether the thief deserve toilet camera.
          I am trying to think your way without current technical limitations:"......Why toilet camera can't be installed if the toilet camera is able to detect who is thief and will automatically shutdown if goodman detected? Come on, MAN, give me a break ! This is a legal issue, not a technical issue !We are talking about owner's authority other than computer system security......"
          • Man, I am not intrested in installing toilet camera. If you are intrested such issue, talk to someone else. Thanks.
            • 终于想通了?恭喜你,地球是圆的,没错,哈哈 Rolia最有潜质的思想家终于浮出水面了
              • 看了你和其他人的争论,不是送你4个字,混淆概念. 在厕所了装CAMERA和在工作场所装CAMERA完全是二回事.在工作场所SUPPOSE你只做和工作有关的事情. 公司有权监视你的工作情况.
                • 嘿,你起什么哄?2位一个摸到了象鼻子,一个摸到了大象腿.不过还是正面的看法好,人总要往前看的吗
                  • 什么叫"起哄"? 这是论坛,大家都有权利发表意见. 和你意见不同就是起哄. 你以外你是那根葱呀? 什么脑子!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
            • 越南人砸洗手间的门
              本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛,田林海在里面,出来就用肩膀顶了一下越南人的肩膀。”稍后,两拨人发生冲突,一个越南人走出酒吧取枪射杀了2人。
              http://news.tfol.com/10026/10118/10120/2005/12/9/10084793.shtml
              http://www.rolia.net/forum/forum_listSingleThread.php?pno=2631021

              在場的東主表示,兇手不是酒吧的常客。「他們說兇手都未見過的。
              http://209.112.21.200/news.php?nt_seq_id=90077&pick=1
              http://www.rolia.net/forum/forum_listSingleThread.php?pno=2631021

              由于历史、文化和政治上的宿怨,在加国境内常常有冲突和对抗,影响到社会安宁和治安问题。在治安问题成为民众重点关切问题时,政治保守力量获得的支持率提高。预计将成为下届大选的辩论重心之一。

              百年战争,英法结怨深
              http://www.people.com.cn/GB/14738/14754/21862/2448933.html

              影响加拿大历史进程的三次战争
              http://secretchina.com/news/gb/articles/4/3/30/63008.html

              1756年开始的英法战争(又称“七年战争”)是英法为争夺世界霸权而爆发的,魁北克城(1759)和蒙特利尔(1760〕的陷落,宣告法国在北美大陆
              历时长达150余年的殖民势力完全瓦解。

              http://history.nankai.edu.cn/teach/list2.asp?id=133

              据报道,在去年的首6个月里,至少有20名外国学生在纽西兰遭谋杀。新西兰3月份移民锐减
              http://www.51ielts.com/disp.asp?num=19776&news_class=0303

              澳洲大多数人担忧治安问题
              http://www.epochtimes.com/gb/4/11/11/n715104.htm

              加拿大社会治安不好
              http://past.people.com.cn/GB/kejiao/230/2214/3065/20020910/819363.html

              http://www.rolia.net/forum/forum_listSingleThread.php?pno=2631021更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 这破问题讨论这么久:
      1. 法律上, 公司有全监控你的email, voicemail, internet usage. 查查政府法律
      2. 一般公司的code of behalf and ethic 都会提这点, 看看你的员工手册.
      3. 技术上,这种监控很容易实现. 我经常从office监控孩子在家使用电脑的情况, 在放火墙上进行监控, 你是无能为力得
      4. 美国SSC要求公司将所有email都备份, 且保存七年以上以便政府随时查看.几大备份公司都有相应的solution提供这种备份和在要求的时间类提取.
      5. 记得是2002年的时候, 加拿大有个区(省)因为network abuse, 炒了一批人, 最后裁决法院 炒的合法.
      • 强!!! 顶!!!
    • 多伦多有个警长就是因为他的工作电脑里发现了CHILD PORN被开掉的。 前任波音的 老板因为不懂这个道理, 给他的情妇发打情骂骚的E-MAIL而被公司的监测系统发现 给开掉的。 那些什么PRIVACY的话算了吧。
    • 我公司我所知道的员工电脑上都有远程控制软件,公司里面除了洗手间跟女更衣室都有摄像头,别想啥合不合法的啦。
    • 所有的大公司都安装有监控员工上网的软件(架设在Gateway上).所以工作时间没事别老与工作无关在网上晃荡.
      • 能推荐都有什么吗?