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Furtwangler on Brahms

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Wilhelm Furtwängler, 1934

Precisely with great artists we frequently observe, that from midlife on, they begin to change their posture toward their environment and their own art. Should there exist in their youth a full accord between the demands of the environment and those of the self, and be their art in this period as much "modern" as an expression of their personality, it shall be different in later maturity. With holding-one's-own and making-one's-point, with the conquest of the world commences at the same time the detachment from it, and therewith reflection upon the truest and deepest requirements of one's own nature. And so the way is cleared for the most personal and most universal, that such men have to say. It is the same if we cast our eyes on Goethe or Rembrandt, on Bach or Beethoven. Linked thereto is a growing estrangement with respect to the environment, an isolation, an outgrowing of one's own time.

Brahms, too, in his way, underwent such a development. If he was, in the first decades of his effectiveness, in which he laid his claim to fame, a thoroughly "contemporary musician," who spoke the language of his time, he detached himself later more and more from his immediate present. Precisely the most mature later works, around the Fourth Symphony, or the Double Concerto, were rejected at their first appearance, and what is more, by his friends in part. The publisher of a Brahms biography writes openly of the "flop" of the Double Concerto in Vienna, that he attended in his time: "Where did we have our ears in those days!"

The contrast of Brahms to his time expressed itself above all, in that he, in keeping with his nature, did not grow, like Beethoven, more expansive in his maturity, but rather on the contrary ever more austere, calm, terse and concentrated; but his era, for its part, going from the giant productions of the Wagnerian music-dramas, pressed on to the mammoth forms and enlargement on the tonal language of Strauss, Mahler, Reger etc. This epoch too has since faded; but the quiet battle of the Brahmsian music with the spirit of the times is still not finished today. That has its own special basis.

Brahms remarked occasionally, that music history would one day assign him a place similar to that of Cherubini. This pronouncement, skeptical, doubly-intended like most Brahmsian pronouncements, has naturally been misunderstood. He wanted thereby not to make an assertion about himself - that the shy, introverted man never did during his lifetime - but rather he wanted thereby to characterize "music history," that is, what was taught and promoted as music history in his time and remains in many respects up to the present: a discipline for which the development of the material as such ( around the rhythm, harmony etc. ) and at the same time along with it the various directions, trends, or influences are considered to be the actual content of music history, but the persons who carry them forward are appraised more in their capacity as exponents of such trends than as personalities in their own right.

And for this music-history Brahms is not far from right, to assign himself a Cherubini-like place. A function in the sense of "progress," the music of his later years did not fulfill. With respect to the disintegrating Tristan-harmony, to the first beginnings of later polytonality etc. stood he, that ever had the purely musical universal-form in view, in opposition. There is little difference between the harmony of Brahms around the 90th year and that of Schubert in the 20th year of the same century. But nonetheless the comparison with Cherubini is false. And herewith we come to that, which makes the case of Brahms meaningful for us today, which imparts to him nothing short of the most immediate topicality.

Brahms is the first great musician, in whose case historical meaning and meaning as an artistic personality no longer coincide: that this was so, was not his fault, but rather that of his epoch. The loftiest formal creations of Beethoven had been born out of Beethoven's time, in so far as they employed the language and expressive possibilities of this time. The aspirations of Beethoven, as timeless and pregnant with the future as they may have been, were nonetheless in correspondence with the aspirations of the time; Beethoven was "borne by his time." The most audacious and thorough-going works of Wagner themselves attest not only to the vehement humanity of their creator, but to the aspirations and possibilities of their epoch. He was, as much as he then wished to perceive himself in contrast to his time, nonetheless its expression. With Beethoven, with Wagner, as well as with later ones, like Strauss, Reger, Debussy, Stravinsky - personal aspirations and the aspirations of the times coincide.

With Brahms, and for the first time with him, these aspirations part company. And this was not because Brahms were not deeply a man of his times, but rather because the material/musical possibilities of his time went other ways, that did not suffice the quality of his aspirations. He is the first, that as artist and creator was greater than his musical-historical function.

He is hence the first, that had to defend himself, in order to remain what he was - what for his predecessors through Wagner, borne by the favor of the times, fell into their laps as a matter of course. Thus he became the first, that had to confront his times in his heart of hearts, only to be able to do consciously what to earlier generations was self-evident: to make the human being the focus of all art and artistic practice - the human being, who is ever new and yet ever the same. For not the development of the material - harmony, rhythm etc. - is the soul of history, but rather the will to expression of those, who avail themselves of this material. Not the degree of "audacity," the newness of what is said from the developmental-historical standpoint, but rather the degree of inner necessity, the humanity, the expressive power is the measure of an artwork's meaning.

So Brahms underwent, as the first, the crisis of the times, in that he did not stick fast to them as their object, but rather pitted himself against them. To speak here of Reaction, is false; he was a modern man and remained so lifelong. As well, where he did not relinquish the unity of all that is human, yes - as we see today - precisely in this especially.

So his art remained austere and human. He was capable of remaining thoroughly simple, thoroughly natural and yet entirely himself. His art attained - as that of the last German musician next to Wagner - world-importance, although or precisely because it was fully German and outside of that, uncompromising. He has become today, in a number of countries, one of the most-performed composers. Like himself, he knew how to keep his art free and untouched by the crisis, that has afflicted the European spiritual life for about 50 years, and that expresses itself above all through the profound alienation between audience and creative musician. A crisis, that must be overcome, if an active musical life is to survive.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下拾英 / 乐韵书香 / Leonard Bernstein on Brahms
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Leonard Bernstein, 1982, Vienna

    Here stands a master composer producing one classical symphony after another, a confirmed and determined classicist in an era when classicism had long since been swept away by the tides of Romanticism that flooded Europe in the nineteenth century. And through it all, Johannes Brahms stands firm in his old well-worn coat, insisting to the very end on perpetuating the classical tradition of Mozart and Beethoven....... What was he avoiding? Was he simply a classicist who had outlived his period, a has-been, a left-over, as his detractors would have it? On the contrary, it is precisely the other way around: Brahms was a true Romantic containing his passions in classical garb. It was clearly a case of self-limitation. The only question that remains is --- why?... Whence the rage and whence the containment? What did this celebrated, comfortable king of Vienna have to rage about? So much. He raged against his native city of Hamburg, which time and again had passed him by when selecting a new conductor for their Philharmonic Orchestra, a position Brahms deeply coveted. He raged against the fates that had destroyed his adored Schumann, idol of his youth, after an all-too-brief relationship. He cried out against the forces that had conditioned him to be incapable of happiness with a woman, of domestic bliss, of having children--- and how he loved children! So much to rage about, and so much more we don't even know, at which we can only guess. Thus, I believe, arose in his inner being the absolute necessity for containment. Brahms was genius enough to be his own psychiatrist, unconsciously of course. He set himself up as the Guardian of Music Order in an age of Romantic disorder, but what he was really guarding were his own passions, those conflicts that threatened to tear him apart. And so he invented that persona --- beard, belly, and all --- so familiar to his society and ours. This amazing display of self-control, self-discipline, and self-containment probably saved his life, his sanity, and hi! s God-given powers to fashion the music with which he enriched and ennobled the world更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • Furtwangler on Brahms
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Wilhelm Furtwängler, 1934

      Precisely with great artists we frequently observe, that from midlife on, they begin to change their posture toward their environment and their own art. Should there exist in their youth a full accord between the demands of the environment and those of the self, and be their art in this period as much "modern" as an expression of their personality, it shall be different in later maturity. With holding-one's-own and making-one's-point, with the conquest of the world commences at the same time the detachment from it, and therewith reflection upon the truest and deepest requirements of one's own nature. And so the way is cleared for the most personal and most universal, that such men have to say. It is the same if we cast our eyes on Goethe or Rembrandt, on Bach or Beethoven. Linked thereto is a growing estrangement with respect to the environment, an isolation, an outgrowing of one's own time.

      Brahms, too, in his way, underwent such a development. If he was, in the first decades of his effectiveness, in which he laid his claim to fame, a thoroughly "contemporary musician," who spoke the language of his time, he detached himself later more and more from his immediate present. Precisely the most mature later works, around the Fourth Symphony, or the Double Concerto, were rejected at their first appearance, and what is more, by his friends in part. The publisher of a Brahms biography writes openly of the "flop" of the Double Concerto in Vienna, that he attended in his time: "Where did we have our ears in those days!"

      The contrast of Brahms to his time expressed itself above all, in that he, in keeping with his nature, did not grow, like Beethoven, more expansive in his maturity, but rather on the contrary ever more austere, calm, terse and concentrated; but his era, for its part, going from the giant productions of the Wagnerian music-dramas, pressed on to the mammoth forms and enlargement on the tonal language of Strauss, Mahler, Reger etc. This epoch too has since faded; but the quiet battle of the Brahmsian music with the spirit of the times is still not finished today. That has its own special basis.

      Brahms remarked occasionally, that music history would one day assign him a place similar to that of Cherubini. This pronouncement, skeptical, doubly-intended like most Brahmsian pronouncements, has naturally been misunderstood. He wanted thereby not to make an assertion about himself - that the shy, introverted man never did during his lifetime - but rather he wanted thereby to characterize "music history," that is, what was taught and promoted as music history in his time and remains in many respects up to the present: a discipline for which the development of the material as such ( around the rhythm, harmony etc. ) and at the same time along with it the various directions, trends, or influences are considered to be the actual content of music history, but the persons who carry them forward are appraised more in their capacity as exponents of such trends than as personalities in their own right.

      And for this music-history Brahms is not far from right, to assign himself a Cherubini-like place. A function in the sense of "progress," the music of his later years did not fulfill. With respect to the disintegrating Tristan-harmony, to the first beginnings of later polytonality etc. stood he, that ever had the purely musical universal-form in view, in opposition. There is little difference between the harmony of Brahms around the 90th year and that of Schubert in the 20th year of the same century. But nonetheless the comparison with Cherubini is false. And herewith we come to that, which makes the case of Brahms meaningful for us today, which imparts to him nothing short of the most immediate topicality.

      Brahms is the first great musician, in whose case historical meaning and meaning as an artistic personality no longer coincide: that this was so, was not his fault, but rather that of his epoch. The loftiest formal creations of Beethoven had been born out of Beethoven's time, in so far as they employed the language and expressive possibilities of this time. The aspirations of Beethoven, as timeless and pregnant with the future as they may have been, were nonetheless in correspondence with the aspirations of the time; Beethoven was "borne by his time." The most audacious and thorough-going works of Wagner themselves attest not only to the vehement humanity of their creator, but to the aspirations and possibilities of their epoch. He was, as much as he then wished to perceive himself in contrast to his time, nonetheless its expression. With Beethoven, with Wagner, as well as with later ones, like Strauss, Reger, Debussy, Stravinsky - personal aspirations and the aspirations of the times coincide.

      With Brahms, and for the first time with him, these aspirations part company. And this was not because Brahms were not deeply a man of his times, but rather because the material/musical possibilities of his time went other ways, that did not suffice the quality of his aspirations. He is the first, that as artist and creator was greater than his musical-historical function.

      He is hence the first, that had to defend himself, in order to remain what he was - what for his predecessors through Wagner, borne by the favor of the times, fell into their laps as a matter of course. Thus he became the first, that had to confront his times in his heart of hearts, only to be able to do consciously what to earlier generations was self-evident: to make the human being the focus of all art and artistic practice - the human being, who is ever new and yet ever the same. For not the development of the material - harmony, rhythm etc. - is the soul of history, but rather the will to expression of those, who avail themselves of this material. Not the degree of "audacity," the newness of what is said from the developmental-historical standpoint, but rather the degree of inner necessity, the humanity, the expressive power is the measure of an artwork's meaning.

      So Brahms underwent, as the first, the crisis of the times, in that he did not stick fast to them as their object, but rather pitted himself against them. To speak here of Reaction, is false; he was a modern man and remained so lifelong. As well, where he did not relinquish the unity of all that is human, yes - as we see today - precisely in this especially.

      So his art remained austere and human. He was capable of remaining thoroughly simple, thoroughly natural and yet entirely himself. His art attained - as that of the last German musician next to Wagner - world-importance, although or precisely because it was fully German and outside of that, uncompromising. He has become today, in a number of countries, one of the most-performed composers. Like himself, he knew how to keep his art free and untouched by the crisis, that has afflicted the European spiritual life for about 50 years, and that expresses itself above all through the profound alienation between audience and creative musician. A crisis, that must be overcome, if an active musical life is to survive.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • 回去慢慢学习, ,,,
    • 从第一到第三, 再到第九, 贝多芬的交响乐展现了无穷尽的创新, 发展和可能. 伯拉姆斯的交响曲从第一到第四究竟有多大的发展呢???
      • 伯拉姆斯的交响曲中,第一交响曲的成就应该最大,否则人们不会称该交响曲为(贝多芬)“第十交响曲”,然后是第四交响曲,第2,第3好像不如前2个。。。
        • 被称为贝十并不代表其成就, 而是因为伯林爱乐的指挥冯.标罗听了以后说其第四乐章是贝九欢乐颂主题的变化与演绎---伯拉姆斯本人好象对此不以为然.
        • 我喜欢第二
    • 可不可以说伯拉姆斯是作曲家中的克莱伯, 都有非常好的作品, 但毕竟深度与广度有限?
    • 都忽悠了些啥?
      • 这个姓B的说伯拉姆斯是因为丧失了良师, 又爱上了不该爱上的师母, 内心的矛盾使自己濒临嘣溃, 于是以中庸之道来明则保生. 换句话说, 伯拉姆斯要是跟着当时的浪漫派们一起忽悠, 结过可能与老柴一样----选择自杀.
        • 这个浪漫派的老柴就走得更远了, 据说他是同性恋着,被地下法庭的审判,喝下脏水,疟疾而死; 再想想他与梅克夫人的关系,其实就是傍一富婆。。。
        • 勃拉姆斯尽管比浪漫乐派巨匠舒曼和门德尔松生的晚,但他并不完全走浪漫主义道路,反而偏向保守的古典主义,要理解勃拉姆斯的音乐,这点一定要认识清楚!
          • 是的, 问题是他为什么会反而偏向保守的古典主义
            • 我的理解,这应该是跟勃拉姆斯的性格有关,加上他深爱着师母:克拉拉,又不能跟她结婚……一个性格较为封闭的音乐家是不太可能会象门德尔松那样,完全以浪漫主义的姿态面世……
              • 我有点领悟了, 勃拉姆斯的音乐和第三者有关的,,,,,
      • 这么一比其实豆为不算很BT
    • 好帖岂能沉底