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工作学习 / 专业知识杂谈 / 现在还没到所租房的终止日期（还有３个半月），房东想卖掉房子，说要么我们尽快搬走．要么他们同意我们继续住到期限，但会经常带人来看房子．请问大家这合法吗？ -jennyzy(jenny); 2006-7-15 {114} (#3082294@0)
还没到租期期限，日常生活要被来看房子的陌生人打扰．而且我现在在怀孕期间，真是烦恼．请问大家房东的做法合法吗？谢谢．

没有什么合法不合法的，买个锁把门从里面锁起来，不给进。 -tornet(_); 2006-7-15 (#3082315@0)

误导 -c_sea(雪山飞狐停飞); 2006-7-16 (#3082466@0)

搬吧，早晚要搬的，早搬早定心，与人方便，与己方便。就算你有理，生气争执总少不了，不值得。 -diver(); 2006-7-15 (#3082327@0)
你可以不搬,如果你愿意的话,既然不搬,何来看房?但是,一般还是给人方便,也是给自己方便.他卖房,好象你没有义务马上搬家.请查法律. -iwantcar(流浪的EnjoyStudying); 2006-7-16 (#3082420@0)

误导. -c_sea(雪山飞狐停飞); 2006-7-16 (#3082464@0)

还有３个半月 -iwantcar(流浪的EnjoyStudying); 2006-7-17 (#3085157@0)

按照安省的出租法, 你的房东的做法基本是合适的. -c_sea(雪山飞狐停飞); 2006-7-16 {341} (#3082461@0)
如果是一年期的合同, 房东可提前60 天书面通知你不再续合同, 然后就可以进行卖房的程序, 包括看房. 在进入你的房间之前, 比须t提前一天书面通知. 书面通知必须包括看房时间日期, 看房时间必须是在8 a.m. and 8 p.m 之间.
如果是按月的合同, 房东只要提前28天书面通知你即可进入卖房程序.
你的房东唯一要做的就是书面通知, 口头通知是无效的.
详细法律自己看链接.
http://www.ontariotenants.ca/law/act.phtml

我找不到你的中文对应的英文原文. -iwantcar(流浪的EnjoyStudying); 2006-7-17 (#3085181@0)
这个中文翻译得有问题.60天必须满足租约结束这个前提条件.MSSD,估计是某房东翻译的. -iwantcar(流浪的EnjoyStudying); 2006-7-18 {214} (#3086230@0)
The date for termination specified in the notice shall be at least 60 days after the notice is given and shall be the day a period of the tenancy ends or, where the tenancy is for a fixed term, the end of the term.

En...对於fixed term，如果房客想提前搬走，会被罚term剩余部分的租金。同样道理，房东想要提前收回，应该进行相应补偿。可以跟Ontario Rental Housing Tribunal 咨询一下。 -dusk(古道西风); 2006-7-18 (#3086441@0)
拜托:　看贴要有点专业精神好不好，　读书要有点专业精神好不好，　说话也要有点专业精神好不好． -c_sea(雪山飞狐停飞); 2006-7-18 {2832} (#3086801@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛我的话哪一句是教条死板的按照法律一字一字的翻译的?

如果你真的不能理解, 我就按下面的话直译给你,
The date for termination specified in the notice shall be at least 60 days after the notice is given and shall be the day a period of the tenancy ends or, where the tenancy is for a fixed term, the end of the term.
在(终止租赁)通知里面,终止日期必须在通知送出的至少60天以后, 并且必须是租期到期以后的日子, 或者, 对于固定期的租约, 是固定租期结束的日子.

简单来说, 对于固定期租约, 房东在到期前提前至少60天通知不再续约是合法的. 请注意, 是不再续约, 不是提前解约.

再看第20条,
Entry to show rental unit
(3) A landlord may enter the rental unit without written notice to show the unit to prospective tenants if,
满足以下条件, 房东可以无需书面通知进入出租单位

(a) the landlord and tenant have agreed that the tenancy will be terminated or one of them has given notice of termination to the other;
房东和租客双方同意租约将要终止, 或者一方已经通知另一方结束租期

(b) the landlord enters the unit between the hours of 8 a.m. and 8 p.m.; and
房东进入时间是在8:00AM,- 8:00PM

(c) before entering, the landlord informs or makes a reasonable effort to inform the tenant of the intention to do so. 1997, c. 24, s. 20.
在进入以前, 房东通知(此处应该理解为口头通知), 或者做了合理的举动去通知足租客房东要进入.

再看第21条
Entry with notice
通知后进入出租单位

21. (1) A landlord may enter a rental unit in accordance with written notice given to the tenant at least 24 hours before the time of entry under the following circumstances:
在提前至少24小时出具书面通知后, 以下面的理由房东可以进入出租单位,

1. To carry out a repair or do work in the rental unit.

2. To allow a potential mortgagee or insurer of the residential complex to view the rental unit.

3. To allow a potential purchaser to view the rental unit.
允许潜在的买家去看出租单位

3.1 To allow a person who holds a certificate of authorization within the meaning of the Professional Engineers Act or a certificate of practice within the meaning of the Architects Act or another qualified person to make a physical inspection of the rental unit to satisfy a requirement imposed under subsection 9 (4) of the Condominium Act, 1998.

4. For any other reasonable reason for entry specified in the tenancy agreement. 1997, c. 24, s. 21 (1); 1998, c. 19, s. 186.

对于楼主的例子,
1) 房东在租期结束前3个半月,送出通知, 难道3个半月不满足至少60天送出通知的条件吗?
2) 房东有强行要求提前解约吗?　房东有强行赶房客走吗?
从楼主的帖子, 房东给了房客两个选项而已,房客可以提前搬走,也可以继续住,但是要忍受别人看房. 房客可以自行选择.
从这里看, 房东并未提前解约, 既然房东并未违约, 房客哪里来的赔偿要求?　

对于这种涉及法律的事情, 旁人不要乱说, 尤其是在没看过相关法律的情况下乱说, 误导别人犯法.

这是我最后一贴, 我又不是你的老师, 我没有必要教你任何东西.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

"我又不是你的老师, 我没有必要教你任何东西" funny.你经常节选一些对房东有利的.真让我不明白. -iwantcar(流浪的EnjoyStudying); 2006-7-18 {1676} (#3086847@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Entry without notice, emergency, consent
20. (1) A landlord may enter a rental unit at any time without written notice,

(a) in cases of emergency; or

(b) if the tenant consents to the entry at the time of entry.

Entry to show rental unit
(3) A landlord may enter the rental unit without written notice to show the unit to prospective tenants if,

(a) the landlord and tenant have agreed that the tenancy will be terminated or one of them has given notice of termination to the other;

(b) the landlord enters the unit between the hours of 8 a.m. and 8 p.m.; and

(c) before entering, the landlord informs or makes a reasonable effort to inform the tenant of the intention to do so. 1997, c. 24, s. 20.

口头通知就想进,你猜的吧?

而且,对与买卖,必须要书面通知:
Entry with notice
21. (1) A landlord may enter a rental unit in accordance with written notice given to the tenant at least 24 hours before the time of entry under the following circumstances:

1. To carry out a repair or do work in the rental unit.

2. To allow a potential mortgagee or insurer of the residential complex to view the rental unit.

3. To allow a potential purchaser to view the rental unit.

3.1 To allow a person who holds a certificate of authorization within the meaning of the Professional Engineers Act or a certificate of practice within the meaning of the Architects Act or another qualified person to make a physical inspection of the rental unit to satisfy a requirement imposed under subsection 9 (4) of the Condominium Act, 1998.

4. For any other reasonable reason for entry specified in the tenancy agreement. 1997, c. 24, s. 21 (1); 1998, c. 19, s. 186.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

不能给你更好的建议 -c_sea(雪山飞狐停飞); 2006-7-17 {696} (#3085590@0)
你的苦衷大家都能理解, 当然更需要房东理解,
另一方面, 房东的苦衷也需要你理解. 普遍的规律是：房东如果真的卖房, 也只能在这3个半月个月之内. 如果等到3个半月以后即11月份冬天再上市, 房子就很难在今年卖出去,估计就要等明年开春以后了才好卖了; 即使卖出, 房价也会比现在偏低.
在这3个半月之间, 你依然可以合法的住在现在的地方,当然也要忍受别人合理的看房.
光从你的帖子来看, 房东确实没有什么错.
象你这种情况, 法律已经不能帮你了, 那只有能靠双方互相体谅, 协商解决,
如果我是那个房东, 我会
1)把看房时间安排在你方便的时候.
2)如果你不愿意受人打搅, 我会尽力帮助你找新住处, 并协助你搬家.
如果我是你, 我也不会难为房东, 毕竟别人也有别人的苦衷.
可是这些只是如果,, 希望你的房东能看见这一贴,你们之间找到好的办法.

如果我是这个房东,既然卖房得了这么多好处,别人做了这么大牺牲.就应该赔偿两个月的房租.租客为房东着想,房东也应该为租客想想吧. -iwantcar(流浪的EnjoyStudying); 2006-7-18 (#3086354@0)

卖房得了这么多好处?? 别人做了这么大牺牲?? -qq0785(花椒); 2006-7-18 (#3086390@0)
You sound know a lot, the truth is landlord can sale his house anytime, and he or JJ can enter the house for showing as long as he notify tenants first. However, the buyer must -barter_gta(Barter); 2006-7-18 {67} (#3088079@0)
buy assume the tenant unless he purchase the house for his own use.
That is because you are not a landlord, you will not say so once you are a landlord :) -barter_gta(Barter); 2006-7-18 (#3088159@0)

Totally agree -c_sea(雪山飞狐停飞); 2006-7-18 (#3088181@0)

光是理解是不够的, 房东应该给予经济补偿。如果房客想提前搬走，房东会不罚他吗？签了合同，就有法律效果。当初签合同时，房东自己就应该考虑好。现在反悔了，总得付出一些。 -dusk(古道西风); 2006-7-18 (#3086456@0)

看贴有点专业精神好吗？在这个例子里, 房东有强行赶房客走吗? 房东给房客两个选项, 可以继续住也可以不住,房客自愿选择. 如果是房客选择住, 就要忍受别人的看房. -c_sea(雪山飞狐停飞); 2006-7-18 {41} (#3086687@0)
如果房东要求提前结束合同, 房东当然要补偿.

看不出你回贴什么地方比我专业。给予补偿当然是房东要房客提前搬走的情况，这不是废话吗？看贴仔细点。 -dusk(古道西风); 2006-7-18 (#3086726@0)

我再给你解释一下:对于法律来说,如果要证明房东曾经想通知你,必须要用DOUBLE REGISTER的信.这个好麻烦的.一来一回就一个星期,从而保证了房东不可能很频繁地看房.如果他真的敢进,911.然后让他解释去吧. -iwantcar(流浪的EnjoyStudying); 2006-7-18 (#3086866@0)

好好跟房东说一下,如果他横,就让他看看ACT.你这种情况,警察会帮你的.但是警察也是最后一招,两败的方法. -iwantcar(流浪的EnjoyStudying); 2006-7-18 (#3086893@0)

WRONG -barter_gta(Barter); 2006-7-18 (#3088080@0)

唉, 我实在忍不住还要说, -c_sea(雪山飞狐停飞); 2006-7-18 {487} (#3087562@0)
您的第一帖," 你可以不搬,如果你愿意的话,既然不搬,何来看房?"
" 你可以不搬,如果你愿意的话" -- 这句话是对的. 其实房东也知道这一点,所以才给楼主两个选项.
既然不搬,何来看房? -- 这句话就是误导, 您承不承认? 您要是不承认, 就没有必要在后面的帖子里跟我争论进入(看房) 要不要notice, 以及3个半月还是60 天了, 对不?

这一贴:
对于法律来说,如果要证明房东曾经想通知你,必须要用DOUBLE REGISTER的信
我是真的愚笨, 真心请教, 请问哪一条加拿大法律这么规定过? 请给出相关链接, 让我们好好学习一下.

你打过官司了吗?去问律师去吧,都这么说. -iwantcar(流浪的EnjoyStudying); 2006-7-18 (#3087841@0)

我没打过官司.可是我建议您说话严谨一些, 不要随便说去误导别人好吗? "律师都这么说"－－请问您见过几个律师? 请问是您的律师(们)这么说, 还是全加拿大的律师都这么说? -c_sea(雪山飞狐停飞); 2006-7-18 {280} (#3087918@0)
如果法律上没有定义必须的事情(比如您说的"必须要用DOUBLE REGISTER的信"), 律师说也不算数吧? 加拿大各法律是由加拿大议会通过的, 而不是律师通过的, 对不对?
如果真有这么一条法律如你所说"必须是DOUBLE REGISTER", 请给出链接. 否则别说什么"律师都这么说"这种您自己都无法证实的话, 行不行?

.看你激动得,就好象自己卖房子一样. -iwantcar(流浪的EnjoyStudying); 2006-7-19 (#3088520@0)

How many law suits have you involved? How much do you have to pay?, how long to set a court date?, Assume you win, Can you get the money? IF you can't answer those questions -barter_gta(Barter); 2006-7-18 {271} (#3088111@0)
Do not mislead others. As matter of fact, for those kinds of matter, if you sue, you lose (well, you may win in the court, but you lose regardless of the verdict, an experience landlord will not sue a tenant, he wish his tenant to sue him if in dispute, understand why?)

WRONG, a photocopy of written notice is enough. Have you sold a tenanted house? -barter_gta(Barter); 2006-7-18 (#3088114@0)

房东如果是黑社会,那就躲了吧.否则,嘿嘿,房东别欺人太过,就在你的墙上,挂满了你的孕妇照片,然后经常在家,保证这三个月太的房子就卖不出去.谁会买一个住着孕妇的房子啊? -iwantcar(流浪的EnjoyStudying); 2006-7-18 (#3087848@0)

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