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富特文格勒指挥贝多芬第9交响乐:版本比较 (提到的三个版本,二战版糟糕大师帖过,拜罗伊特版老迷帖过,洛桑版俺刚帖过)

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I think it is impossible to truly say that one single Furtwangler
Beethoven 9th is the "finest". It depends on what you look for in a
performance. There are two or three that I think are probably at the top
of most people's lists, and each has something unique to offer. The real
Furtwangler collector will own all three of these, but I would think that
you could start with any one of them and be satisfied.

1] The Famed "Wartime" Ninth, from Berlin, March 22-24, 1942, with The
Bruno Kittel Choir, and soloists Brien/Hoengen/Andres/Watzke. This is
available on Music & Arts CD 653, and in Tahra set FURT 1004-1007. It is
also available on Grammofono, Preiser, and a host of others pressings. But
I would recommend the Preiser, Music & Arts, or Tahra as probably the best
sound. This performance is ferocious - the most intensely, wildly
dramatic -- slashing accents, pounding rhythms, players digging into the
strings with real ferocity. The adagio is slow, and intensely moving; the
finale sounds like the most frenzied outburst you'll ever hear.

2] The Bayreuth 1951 re-opening performance, available on a number of EMI
issues. This is a cross between the 1954 Lucerne performance (see below)
and the wartime. It has both intensity and nobility, both gravitas and
fervor. I like this performance a lot, but find on repetition that the
fourth horn serious burble in the adagio becomes more annoying.

3] The 1954 Lucerne performance on Tahra (August 22, 1954 - tahra 1003),
while it has the same interpretive concept as all the others, executes it
with more restraint, more nobility, less slashing power.

Henry Fogel更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下拾英 / 乐韵书香 / 富特文格勒指挥贝多芬第9交响乐:版本比较 (提到的三个版本,二战版糟糕大师帖过,拜罗伊特版老迷帖过,洛桑版俺刚帖过)
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I think it is impossible to truly say that one single Furtwangler
    Beethoven 9th is the "finest". It depends on what you look for in a
    performance. There are two or three that I think are probably at the top
    of most people's lists, and each has something unique to offer. The real
    Furtwangler collector will own all three of these, but I would think that
    you could start with any one of them and be satisfied.

    1] The Famed "Wartime" Ninth, from Berlin, March 22-24, 1942, with The
    Bruno Kittel Choir, and soloists Brien/Hoengen/Andres/Watzke. This is
    available on Music & Arts CD 653, and in Tahra set FURT 1004-1007. It is
    also available on Grammofono, Preiser, and a host of others pressings. But
    I would recommend the Preiser, Music & Arts, or Tahra as probably the best
    sound. This performance is ferocious - the most intensely, wildly
    dramatic -- slashing accents, pounding rhythms, players digging into the
    strings with real ferocity. The adagio is slow, and intensely moving; the
    finale sounds like the most frenzied outburst you'll ever hear.

    2] The Bayreuth 1951 re-opening performance, available on a number of EMI
    issues. This is a cross between the 1954 Lucerne performance (see below)
    and the wartime. It has both intensity and nobility, both gravitas and
    fervor. I like this performance a lot, but find on repetition that the
    fourth horn serious burble in the adagio becomes more annoying.

    3] The 1954 Lucerne performance on Tahra (August 22, 1954 - tahra 1003),
    while it has the same interpretive concept as all the others, executes it
    with more restraint, more nobility, less slashing power.

    Henry Fogel更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 富特文格勒指挥贝多芬交响乐(1--9)介绍
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Symphony No. 1 - Furtwangler is somewhat weighty for this piece, but it
      is affectionate and warmly inflected nonetheless. Best is probably the
      EMI Studio recording (Nov. 24, 1952 - EMI CDC 7 47409 -2) - one of his
      better studio discs; the live Nov. 30, 1952 on Music & Arts (CD 711) is
      also pretty good. I find the 1954 live performance a bit too heavy.

      Symphony No. 2 - That's easy since there is only one - on EMI CDH 7
      63192 2. This performance is fine, but the recorded sound (live, Royal
      Albert Hall, 1948) is dreadful, and it would probably never have been
      released were it not the only Furtwangler performance of Beethoven 2
      that exists.

      Symphony No. 3 ("Eroica") - The choosing is tougher here, but in the end
      for most people, I believe December 8, 1952 is best, as released by
      Tahra on FURT 1008-1011. The sound is terrific, as good as most early
      1950s mono studio recordings, and the performance fabulously balanced
      between nobility, drama, power and depth. The Wartime Eroica is a great
      alternative, more intense and incisive, wider in dynamic and tempo
      extremes, and I've just heard a very fine new CD release of it on
      Preiser 90251.

      Symphony No. 4 - I like the wildly intense wartime version from June 30,
      1943 - on Music & Arts CD 824 (earlier on DGG 427 777-2), also on
      Grammofono 2000 AB 78502 in a good transfer. A somewhat more sedate,
      but still wonderful later performance is from Sept. 4, 1953 - on
      Virtuoso 269.7192.

      Symphony No. 5 - Here again the choice is very difficult, but partly
      because the performances are powerful and the sonics are so good, I'd
      recommend Tahra 1008-1011 (this also helps because it's the same
      purchase as for the Eroica). The performance is from May, 1954, and it
      is broad, weighty, noble and still dramatic. The cleaned up sound on
      Tahra has made the performance sound better than earlier, more
      compressed and colorless transfers. There is much to be said for the
      more sedate, controlled 1937 studio HMV recording (best transfer is
      Biddulph WHL 006), and for the May, 1947 BPO performance on Music and
      Arts CD 789 -- which is the wildest of all in its extremes, because it
      is from the first concert in Berlin that he was allowed to give after
      de-nazification, having not conducted his orchestra for 2 years. You
      can imagine the drama.

      Symphony No. 6 ("Pastorale") - Again - the May 1954 performance on Tahra
      FURT 1008-1011 (see, if you get that set you get three recommended
      performances, Nos. 3, 5, and 6, along with a great Schubert 9th). This
      is really beautiful. Again, the wartime 1944 one is more dramatic, (M&A
      CD 824).

      Symphony No. 7 - Here the wartime one is my favorite - 1943 - Music &
      Arts CD 824 - a hair-raising performance. But close by is DG 415 666 2,
      a 1953 performance of power and breadth -- particularly warm in the
      second movement. The fire is missing from the August 30 1954 Salzburg
      Festival prerformance, but the beauty and warmth is still there, and the
      sound on Orfeo, taken from master tapes from the Austrian Radio, is by
      far the best of all. This is on Orfeo C293921 (See No. 8)

      Symphony No. 8 - As with Symphony #1, some will find WF a bit heavy
      here, though I like the weight; this may be a lighter work than No. 9,
      but it is still late Beethoven, and Furtwangler does have a quirky sense
      of humor that comes through. Orfeo C293921, as with No. 7 above, has
      great sound and is a livelier performance than the 7th from the same
      concert. But the best is still Berlin 1953 - which has been on DGG 415
      666 2 (same as #7), and also on Rodolphe RPC 32522.24. Hard to find,
      however.

      Symphony #9 - I continue to think that the safest recommendation is the
      1951 Bayreuth performance - a great statement that balances passion and
      inner spirit perhaps as well as any of his readings, and available in
      many different EMI pressings. But there is of course much to be said
      for the 1954 Lucerne performance (his last of this work, 3 months before
      his death) -- a very broad, deeply felt, poetic reading, heard
      wonderfully on Tahra FURT 1003. And, one must mention the wartime
      reading (1942) on Music & Arts CD 653 -- a performance on fire from the
      first notes. This is white heat defined, and one cannot listen to it
      too often, which is why I never recommend it as a first choice, but it
      makes a remarkable impact if heard on occasion.

      As for the complete EMI set, I don't recommend it - not that any
      performance in it is bad (some of the above are included), but because
      some of the performances of EMI studio recordings are not at the most
      incisive or dramatic level.

      Hope the above helps.

      Henry Fogel更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • 富特文格勒录音介绍
        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Beethoven:
        Piano Concerto #4; Conrad Hansen, piano. Berlin PO, DG, 1943. Hansen
        was one of Fischer's star pupils, and his collaboration with WF is exquisite.
        Piano Concerto #5; Edwin Fischer, piano. Philharmonia Orch, EMI,
        1950's. More sheer grandeur than any other version I've heard (though
        I've yet to hear Michelangeli).
        Violin Concerto; Yehudi Menuhin, violin. Philharmonia Orch, EMI,
        1950's. Live, and loaded with technical slips from Menuhin and WF, but
        music-making of the highest order.
        Symphony #3; Vienna PO, wartime & 1950's. Definitive of his art.
        Symphony #4; Berlin PO, DG, wartime. Thrilling, dramatic, and lyrical.
        Symphony #5; various. His first recording, with the Berlin PO in the
        1920's, last out on Koch, is surprisingly lithe and athletic. His
        wartime efforts on DG show a near hysterical intensity that is typical of
        WF's wartime work. The studio recording with the Vienna PO for EMI has
        stature and grandeur, without going as far over the top as he did during
        WW II. It's one of the finest 5ths on disc.
        Symphony #7; Berlin PO, DG, 1952. Willful, yes, but totally
        unforgettable.
        Symphony #9; various; discussed before.
        Fidelio, Salzburg Festival, EMI, 1950's. One of the great recordings
        along with Klemperer.

        Brahms:
        Piano Concerto #2; Edwin Fischer, piano, Berlin PO, WW II, DG. One
        critic describes Fischer and Furtwaengler placing notes in before the
        recap of the slow movement like stars in the sky. Gorgeous stuff.

        Bruckner:
        Symphony #8; multiple versions, but one of the finest Bruckner 8ths on
        disc is his harrowing, incredibly intnse wartime Vienna PO performance,
        now on Music & Arts.
        Symphony #9; there is an outstanding one with the Berlin PO from WW II
        on Music & Arts.
        Symphony #5; Berlin PO, WW II, DG. Better than his 1951 Salzburg
        Festival performance, and a candidate for finest Bruckner recording ever,
        for its blazing, burning conviction.
        Symphony #6; Music & Arts has a wartime performance with only the last
        three movements, but I've been told it's one of the great ones.

        Haydn:
        Symphony #88; Berlin PO, DG. Noble, graceful, and lovingly played.

        Mahler:
        Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen; Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Vienna PO,
        Salzburg Festival, live, 1951. WF's only Mahler recording, and a classic
        at that, better than his studio EMI recording.

        Mozart:
        Symphony #39; Berlin PO, wartime, DG.
        Don Giovanni; Pinza & Salzburg Festival, 1950's, EMI. Another
        overpowering performance, well cast and memorably played.

        Schubert:
        Symphony #9; Berlin PO, DG, 1950's. Even WF haters like this one.

        Some adore other work of his, such as his Tchaikovsky; I can't say the
        same. WF was an unforgettable Wagner conductor, though others are more
        qualified to discuss the virtues of his Tristan, his studio Walkuere, and
        his two Ring cycles on disc. There's a 2-CD set on EMI of bleeding
        chunks which is utterly fabulous, though.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
        • 富特文格勒的特点
          本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛The Furtwaengler style? I think of all of the descriptions that I have
          heard or read, Yehudi Menuhin's thoughts on him are closest to the mark.
          Furtwaengler came from a now-defunct, German Romantic style of conducting,
          which began with Wagner and Liszt and proceeded through Nikisch, Furtwaengler,
          and a Furtwaengler disciple, Jascha Horenstein. This style has been called
          that of the German mystic, motivated by a philosophical idealism, working
          with the certainty of one who has seen visions and followed them. The style
          called for a search for the expressive soul of a piece, and emphasized
          songful melody and phrase over the restrictions of the bar line. Ebbs and
          flows in tempo were expected, to help advance the musical argument and
          heighten the musical drama. The orchestral sound expected was different
          from the whip-crack precision that we hear today; the sonority is deeper,
          richer, with a curious sense of transparency and precision in the midst
          of organic vagueness. It's the antithesis of the foursquare, no-nonsense
          objectivist approach of Toscanini; Menuhin likens this to the difference
          between specifying the dimensions of a geometric solid, delineating line
          and angle with precision, and specifying the extent of an organic fluid
          with the same precision.

          The second key to the Furtwaengler style stems from the fact that WF
          was a composer first, conductor second. He brought a composer's insight
          into his conducting, attacking music from the inside, and using his
          Wagnerian subjectivity to carry across his composer's vision. Performance
          became as much a spectacle of re-creation as of reproduction of the notes.
          Third, there was some peculiar mystique that the man carried around with him.
          His beat was one of the most unorthodox of the century, nearly impossible
          to follow, yet orchestras managed to follow his facial expressions, the
          rhythms of his bodily jerkings, and gave out sound like they couldn't make
          for anyone else. At his best, Furtwaengler could mesmerize orchestra and
          audience alike, sweeping all along with the sheer power of his concentration,
          making maddening distortions of tempo (but maintaining a strong internal
          rhythm) and convincing listeners in concert, even if it doesn't come out
          as convincing on disc. In the repertoire that mattered to him (Haydn and
          Mozart down to Brahms, Wagner, and Bruckner), he made music in a totally
          unique, powerful way, and won the adoration (often long after the fact)
          of many (including this writer).

          Of course, what one hears on a recording is probably much different from
          what he was actually like in concert, not least because of the limitations
          of early recording. Still, on disc, one gets the sense of three rough
          phases in his career. (Oddly, this seems to be the case for many conductors
          active before and after the war.) The first phase consists of acoustic and
          early electrical recordings made largely for Polydor before the war.
          To my ears, his style at this time bears a resemblance to that of his
          predecessor in Berlin, Artur Nikisch. It is relatively fleet, but flexible,
          with a keen sense for drama and much beautiful playing, despite the limitations
          of acoustic and early electric recordings. By the 1930's, the late
          Furtwaengler style began to emerge, with a more placid, glowing, contemplative
          sheen stretched over the music. But war changed things.

          The war years remain a source of great controversy. WF is honored by some,
          reviled by others for the choices he made during the war. One way or another,
          it is clear that he was under great stress during World War II, and this
          stress becomes evident in the recordings of wartime concerts given in Berlin.
          There is an unleashed fury in much of them, an intensity that borders on
          hysteria. Perhaps it's his silent protest, perhaps his way of lashing out
          against the authorities, perhaps his emotional outlet in an age of anxiety.
          But some of his most ferociously intense recordings hail from this period,
          filled with a spirit that the orchestra evidently shared with him.

          After the war, Furtwaengler returned to a more autumnal style. He also
          began making more studio recordings, both for EMI and DG, and the newly
          created tape medium allowed for more uninterrupted music making, resulting
          in some of the finest orchestral playing ever to be captured on disc. There
          are also some royal turkeys in the postwar discography, I suspect largely
          because of his growing deafness. But it's the postwar Furtwaengler that
          is most readily available, and best known to most.

          Suggested recordings? That's meat for another long-winded thread, and
          also meat for angry discussion. I think that the essentials of the
          Furtwaengler style can probably be captured in a handful of discs (both
          for better and for worse). You may find the shifts in tempo maddening, or
          you may be seduced by the otherworldly orchestral sound. Some personal
          favorites (by no means complete):

          Haydn: Symphony #88 in G. Berlin PO, 12/51. DG
          Mozart: Symphony #39 in Eb. Berlin PO, 1942/3. DG
          Beethoven: Symphony #3 in Eb. Vienna PO, 1944. Music & Arts, Tahra
          Beethoven: Symphony #7 in A. Berlin PO, 4/53. DG
          Beethoven: Symphony #9 in d. Bayreuth Festival, 1951. EMI
          Beethoven: Piano Concerto #5 in Eb. Edwin Fischer/Philharmonia Orch, 2/51, EMI
          Schubert: Symphony #9 in C. Berlin PO, 12/51. DG
          Schumann: Symphony #4 in d. Berlin PO, 5/53. DG
          Wagner: Tristan und Isolde. EMI
          Wagner: Orchestral bleeding chunks. EMI 2-CD set
          Bruckner: Symphony #5 in Bb. Berlin PO, 10/42. Music & Arts
          Bruckner: Symphony #9 in d. Berlin PO, 1944. Music & Arts

          There is, of course, much, much more, but this body of work (with the
          possible exception of that Beethoven 7th) is generally judged to rank with
          his finest work. Further questions, flames, corrections, etc. welcome.
          If you'e made it this far, of course. Oh, and good luck listening!
          --
          /James C.S. Liu, MD "Computers in the future may weigh no more
          j...@world.std.com than 1.5 tons."
          Department of Medicine -- Popular Mechanics, 1943, forecasting the
          New England Med Ctr, Boston MA relentless march of science更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
          • 前两段不错
            • 唉,忽悠别人不成,把自己忽悠进去了 :-((
              又想买他的CD了
              • 买吧,喜欢就好。下次带给俺听听~~ :)
    • 音乐演奏之处,人们是自由的————浅论富特文格勒的战时录音(zt)
      • Tahra 的小册子上忽悠得更好:富特文格勒在拜罗伊特向世界证明,纳粹的统治和盟国的轰炸,并没有毁灭德国文化。当他指挥贝多芬的《欢乐颂》时,整个音乐世界都在聆听。
        什么时候,中华文化也能这样复兴,就太伟大了
        • 这个本来就是不需要证明的. 戈培尔对德国老百姓的宣传就是: "如果英美胜利了, 欧洲文化就要到退许多" 美军为了证明戈培尔是错的, 战后占领德国期间花了很多钱搞音乐, 所以才有了那么多的广播乐团.
          • 但苏占区的文化确确实实是倒退了许多