本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛In terms of my "never", what I mean is your Possibility #2: My Hitler stopped after he did repent. According to bible and you agree: he then can sin freely without any consequence. Given the fact that my Hitler never intent to speaks against the Son of Man, let alone Holy Spirit, his free pass to heaven can never be revoked.
And actually the real Hitler WAS born in Catholic family, brought up and confirmed as a Catholic. I guess at one point when he was young, he truly repented, accepted God, and asked Jesus to come into his heart, all of which make him a "real Christian" (not just ready to be, he WAS a real Christian), at least before he was in control of Germany and started WW2.
So you agree with the comment that being a Christian means one can sin freely without consequence, after all, his sins will be forgiven and he will be granted free pass to heaven, guaranteed by Jesus. By consequence I mean disqualifying to the free ticket to heaven, and by guarantee I mean even Jesus can not revoke this ticket.
Following this fact, there is one conclusion that sounds very funny:
C1. Suppose a person becomes/converts to Christian at a point; or a person born, brought up in Christian family and become a Christian at early age, let's say 10 to be extreme. After that, he can actually do anything he want, God or Bible can not offer any prevention and punishment, thus if he want, he can violate anything he want without any need for repentment, he can even embrace Satan's evil action, God or Bible mean nothing to him. And yet, God still have to grant him a free ticket to heaven.
C2. We all know that in human society, secular moral standard or secular law should offer some type of enforceable mean, either by force (law) or serious consequence (moral standard). So that when you violate it, you should receive some form of punishment. But once you become a Christian, since secular law doesn't revoke your pass to heaven, to Christian's ultimate goal of going to heaven, secular law doesn't matter anymore, of course secular moral standard doesn't matter to you either.
Funny conclusion: In terms of moral standard, obviously Christian is holding a different holly moral standard (set by God) than secular moral standard and the holly standard is supposed to be higher and harder than secular standard. But according to 1 and 2, when you apply the holly moral standard to your secular life, you will find that the holly moral standard is actually way lower than secular moral standard..
As you can imagine that for example: lying is wrong, sex outside the marriage is wrong, in secular world, if you do that, you will be grounded, or lose job, or divorced, or some other punishment that affect your life in a negative maner; but in holly world, since you are a Christian already, nothing will affect your ultimate goal, what affects you is the punishment offered by secular standard, not by the holly one.
Christian always says: my moral bar is higher than yours. But based on our discussion, this bar actually doesn't offer anything meaningful. Well, just because you set your moral bar to 1km above sea level doesn't mean you can jump over it and declare winner, moreover, after you sign on to jump, you still want to declar winner even if you refuse to jump?...
It sounds funny and I might be wrong on this, but a more serious question is: Did you ever hear the latter part of C1 (see below) from your church? Why not? Why do they hide this from you?
"After you become a Christian, you can actually do anything you want, God or Bible can not offer any prevention and punishment, thus if you like, you can violate anything you want without any need for repentment, you can even embrace Satan's evil action, God or Bible mean nothing to you. And yet, God still have to grant you a free ticket to heaven."更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
And actually the real Hitler WAS born in Catholic family, brought up and confirmed as a Catholic. I guess at one point when he was young, he truly repented, accepted God, and asked Jesus to come into his heart, all of which make him a "real Christian" (not just ready to be, he WAS a real Christian), at least before he was in control of Germany and started WW2.
So you agree with the comment that being a Christian means one can sin freely without consequence, after all, his sins will be forgiven and he will be granted free pass to heaven, guaranteed by Jesus. By consequence I mean disqualifying to the free ticket to heaven, and by guarantee I mean even Jesus can not revoke this ticket.
Following this fact, there is one conclusion that sounds very funny:
C1. Suppose a person becomes/converts to Christian at a point; or a person born, brought up in Christian family and become a Christian at early age, let's say 10 to be extreme. After that, he can actually do anything he want, God or Bible can not offer any prevention and punishment, thus if he want, he can violate anything he want without any need for repentment, he can even embrace Satan's evil action, God or Bible mean nothing to him. And yet, God still have to grant him a free ticket to heaven.
C2. We all know that in human society, secular moral standard or secular law should offer some type of enforceable mean, either by force (law) or serious consequence (moral standard). So that when you violate it, you should receive some form of punishment. But once you become a Christian, since secular law doesn't revoke your pass to heaven, to Christian's ultimate goal of going to heaven, secular law doesn't matter anymore, of course secular moral standard doesn't matter to you either.
Funny conclusion: In terms of moral standard, obviously Christian is holding a different holly moral standard (set by God) than secular moral standard and the holly standard is supposed to be higher and harder than secular standard. But according to 1 and 2, when you apply the holly moral standard to your secular life, you will find that the holly moral standard is actually way lower than secular moral standard..
As you can imagine that for example: lying is wrong, sex outside the marriage is wrong, in secular world, if you do that, you will be grounded, or lose job, or divorced, or some other punishment that affect your life in a negative maner; but in holly world, since you are a Christian already, nothing will affect your ultimate goal, what affects you is the punishment offered by secular standard, not by the holly one.
Christian always says: my moral bar is higher than yours. But based on our discussion, this bar actually doesn't offer anything meaningful. Well, just because you set your moral bar to 1km above sea level doesn't mean you can jump over it and declare winner, moreover, after you sign on to jump, you still want to declar winner even if you refuse to jump?...
It sounds funny and I might be wrong on this, but a more serious question is: Did you ever hear the latter part of C1 (see below) from your church? Why not? Why do they hide this from you?
"After you become a Christian, you can actually do anything you want, God or Bible can not offer any prevention and punishment, thus if you like, you can violate anything you want without any need for repentment, you can even embrace Satan's evil action, God or Bible mean nothing to you. And yet, God still have to grant you a free ticket to heaven."更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net