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西方民主特征之一:以大欺小,以强凌弱。看看三个政治老男人如何剥夺一个女子的辩论权。

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Greens head to court to land slot in TV debate
May shut out of leaders' debate
Janice Tibbetts , Canwest News Service
Published: Monday, September 08, 2008

OTTAWA - Elizabeth May said her party will pursue legal action against a consortium of TV networks, which decided Monday to exclude the Green leader from the televised leaders' debates on grounds that three other leaders said they would boycott the show if she were allowed to share the stage.

A defiant May accused the party leaders of preserving a tight "old-boys club" and the networks of turning their backs on democracy instead of calling the leaders' bluff on their warnings of being no-shows.

"Day 2 of the Canadian election and democracy has taken a nosedive," the May told a news conference on Parliament Hill.
A defiant Green party Leader Elizabeth May accused the other party leaders of preserving a tight 'old-boys club,' and the networks of turning their backs on democracy instead of calling the leaders' bluff on their warnings of being no-shows.View Larger Image View Larger Image
A defiant Green party Leader Elizabeth May accused the other party leaders of preserving a tight 'old-boys club,' and the networks of turning their backs on democracy instead of calling the leaders' bluff on their warnings of being no-shows.


The decision was made following a meeting of the TV networks that organizes the French and English leaders' debates, a central element of the election campaign. They are scheduled to be held in Ottawa on Oct. 1-2, two weeks before the Oct. 14 election.

May said the Greens intend to go to court, likely Tuesday, to challenge the networks for shutting her out of the debates when her party is running candidates in all federal ridings but one, had one MP at dissolution and secured 4.5 per cent of the vote in the 2006 federal election.

"This is anti-democratic, closed-door decision making . . . to keep out the one woman of a political party," said May.

She chastised the consortium for failing to give good reasons for its decision, saying only that she is being excluded because of threats from three parties - the Conservatives, Bloc Quebecois and New Democrats - that they would not participate if May were included.

Liberal Leader Stephane Dion said that while he supports her inclusion, he would not attend if the prime minister does not.

Earlier in the day, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said it would be unfair to allow May to join the other leaders on the national stage because she is too closely tied to the Liberals.

"Ms. May is basically presenting the same positions as Mr. Dion and she supports Mr. Dion as Liberal leader," Harper said while campaigning in Richmond, B.C. "I don't think that's fair to the other parties."

Harper added he suspects May will officially endorse Dion by the end of the campaign.

May has drawn criticism, even within the Greens, of being too cosy with Dion. The two leaders have agreed not to run candidates in each other's ridings and May has said previously that she thinks Dion would make the best prime minister.

In a news release Monday, the group of TV networks said that it would be better to have a debate without May than to have no debate at all.

"The consortium approached the parties to explore the possibility of including the Green party in all or part of the leaders' debates," the networks said in a news release.

"However, three parties opposed its inclusion and it became clear that if the Green party were included, there would be no leaders' debates. In the interest of Canadians, the consortium has determined that it is better to broadcast the debates with the four major party leaders, rather than not at all."

May accused the consortium, which allowed former Reform leader Preston Manning in the televised debates when he had only one MP in the Commons, of making rules on the fly.

She challenged the party leaders to go on the public record with their assertions that they would boycott the debates if she was permitted to participate.

Earlier in the day, May distanced herself from her past endorsements of Dion, telling reporters at a campaign stop at an Ottawa soup kitchen that Harper's assertions that she will endorse the Liberal leader are "ludicrous.

"We are separate political parties, our views on most issues are quite different," said May. "There is absolutely no way I would turn my back on the 306 Green party candidates across this country running against Liberals."

The Green party has hired a lawyer and May said she expects it will fight the decision in the Federal Court.

The TV networks in the consortium are CBC, Radio-Canada, CTV, Global Television and TVA, a Quebec-based French-language network.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下茶话 / 政治经济 / 西方民主特征之一:以大欺小,以强凌弱。看看三个政治老男人如何剥夺一个女子的辩论权。
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Greens head to court to land slot in TV debate
    May shut out of leaders' debate
    Janice Tibbetts , Canwest News Service
    Published: Monday, September 08, 2008

    OTTAWA - Elizabeth May said her party will pursue legal action against a consortium of TV networks, which decided Monday to exclude the Green leader from the televised leaders' debates on grounds that three other leaders said they would boycott the show if she were allowed to share the stage.

    A defiant May accused the party leaders of preserving a tight "old-boys club" and the networks of turning their backs on democracy instead of calling the leaders' bluff on their warnings of being no-shows.

    "Day 2 of the Canadian election and democracy has taken a nosedive," the May told a news conference on Parliament Hill.
    A defiant Green party Leader Elizabeth May accused the other party leaders of preserving a tight 'old-boys club,' and the networks of turning their backs on democracy instead of calling the leaders' bluff on their warnings of being no-shows.View Larger Image View Larger Image
    A defiant Green party Leader Elizabeth May accused the other party leaders of preserving a tight 'old-boys club,' and the networks of turning their backs on democracy instead of calling the leaders' bluff on their warnings of being no-shows.


    The decision was made following a meeting of the TV networks that organizes the French and English leaders' debates, a central element of the election campaign. They are scheduled to be held in Ottawa on Oct. 1-2, two weeks before the Oct. 14 election.

    May said the Greens intend to go to court, likely Tuesday, to challenge the networks for shutting her out of the debates when her party is running candidates in all federal ridings but one, had one MP at dissolution and secured 4.5 per cent of the vote in the 2006 federal election.

    "This is anti-democratic, closed-door decision making . . . to keep out the one woman of a political party," said May.

    She chastised the consortium for failing to give good reasons for its decision, saying only that she is being excluded because of threats from three parties - the Conservatives, Bloc Quebecois and New Democrats - that they would not participate if May were included.

    Liberal Leader Stephane Dion said that while he supports her inclusion, he would not attend if the prime minister does not.

    Earlier in the day, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said it would be unfair to allow May to join the other leaders on the national stage because she is too closely tied to the Liberals.

    "Ms. May is basically presenting the same positions as Mr. Dion and she supports Mr. Dion as Liberal leader," Harper said while campaigning in Richmond, B.C. "I don't think that's fair to the other parties."

    Harper added he suspects May will officially endorse Dion by the end of the campaign.

    May has drawn criticism, even within the Greens, of being too cosy with Dion. The two leaders have agreed not to run candidates in each other's ridings and May has said previously that she thinks Dion would make the best prime minister.

    In a news release Monday, the group of TV networks said that it would be better to have a debate without May than to have no debate at all.

    "The consortium approached the parties to explore the possibility of including the Green party in all or part of the leaders' debates," the networks said in a news release.

    "However, three parties opposed its inclusion and it became clear that if the Green party were included, there would be no leaders' debates. In the interest of Canadians, the consortium has determined that it is better to broadcast the debates with the four major party leaders, rather than not at all."

    May accused the consortium, which allowed former Reform leader Preston Manning in the televised debates when he had only one MP in the Commons, of making rules on the fly.

    She challenged the party leaders to go on the public record with their assertions that they would boycott the debates if she was permitted to participate.

    Earlier in the day, May distanced herself from her past endorsements of Dion, telling reporters at a campaign stop at an Ottawa soup kitchen that Harper's assertions that she will endorse the Liberal leader are "ludicrous.

    "We are separate political parties, our views on most issues are quite different," said May. "There is absolutely no way I would turn my back on the 306 Green party candidates across this country running against Liberals."

    The Green party has hired a lawyer and May said she expects it will fight the decision in the Federal Court.

    The TV networks in the consortium are CBC, Radio-Canada, CTV, Global Television and TVA, a Quebec-based French-language network.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 标题是中文, 把人骗进去就拽英文. 何必这样挂羊头卖狗肉? 贴个文章都这样表里不一, 如何取信于民?
      • 按照你的逻辑,出生在中国,到加国说英语,才是表里不一吧,如何取信于加国政府。
        • 胡乱联系,你这一贴也就值一毛钱吧。顶贴给你算五毛,如何?
          • 看来你很懂行情啊,混得级别高了,不光自己拿,还张罗给别人发工资了,还是留给你自用吧。
        • 你自己看看你的回贴, 有重大逻辑错误
    • cbc radio说只有哈泼不让MAY参加辩论,其他3个候选人威胁要退出辩论。
      • 某些人看来,这个不让人讲话的总理居然是他们心目中人民的好总理,笑翻。
        • 总理什么时候不让人讲话了? 不愿意与其辩论, 就是不让人讲话? 我昨天还在CTV看她讲了好半天. 拜托,
          • 拜托,出来混,请你以后发言有点水平,时政那一套行不通。看看连帖子的后半部都没了,搞得象秃尾巴鹌鹑似的。
            • 不错, hack得有水平. 你也怕人民知道你的底细, 所以就用这种下流的手段把让你恼羞成怒的东西偷走.
              • 很可惜,我给你的回帖也被连累了,你没有看到。
                • 就是你那个政治匹诺曹?
            • 哦, 原来你是从时政过来的, 久仰久仰, 失敬失敬
    • 既然MAY有参选的权力,为什么不给她说话的权利?引申开来,其它三个政党,应当联合抵制大选,直到MAY退选。
      • 巴不得都退了, 不战而胜
        • 说出了你对民主政治的理解。
          • 错. 如果你认为这就是对民主的理解, 那是你的. 不要随便栽到他人头上
            • 我不怕辩论,乐在其中.
              • 你的一些观点我看过, 跟我很相近. 讨论可以, 辩论就不要了, 辩不起来
                • 不和你辩,还是让上面那群人辩.省事
      • 任何有选举权的加国公民都可以参加竞选,是不是都有权去电视辩论?有权参选并不表示电视台必须让其参与电视辩论。
        • MAY是作为一党领袖参加辩论,与独立候选人有所不同。作为一个政党,无论其大小、立场如何,都应该有权利参加辩论,而现在的大选正如她所说是“OLD BOYS CLUB ”。将她排除在外,违背公平的原则。
          • 党派可多了,还有大麻党,马列党,共产党,阿尔伯塔党等等。是不是也要参加辩论?
          • 总理有权要求跟她辩论; 她也有权拒绝跟总理辩论. 总不能强迫她跟总理辩论吧. 反之亦然.
            • 没有人强迫,总理不想辩,那可以听着,但是不能以退出辩论相要挟。
              • 按你的意思总理用什么来要挟合适?
    • 电视台搞的辩论,应该属于私人性质吧。就像我家搞一个PARTY,我不请你,你就告我?
      • 问题在于其它三个政党反对,威胁退出,电视台不得不取消邀请。
      • 电视台的辩论会不是私人性质。不过,绿党的要求不合理。你至少得获得较多的民意支持后才能有资格参与辩论。我觉得,就连魁人党都不应当被邀请,因为他们没有全国范围的代表性。
        • 原则上,绿党是有参加资格的。尤其他们所要说的是对整个人类的责任。绿党的纲领和人的自私性是冲突的。无法获得多数人的支持,这样做为民主政治更加要提供一席话语之地。任何今天荒谬的言论或许是明天的真理。谁又知道呢?
          • 该党是不是对全人类负责并不重要,重要的是他们在人类中获得了多少支持。
            • 从统计数据上看,它是有资格的。虽然我承认她的主席政治上相当幼稚。可是它们的潜在议题确实不应该被忽视。
              环境问题不是小问题。虽然让大家掏钱保护环境目前不现实。但是让她参与讨论,至少有助于对这个问题的关注。
        • 上一此大选,绿党参加了全部308个选区的竞选,获得4。5%选票。是第五个获得public funding的政党。完全有权利参加辩论。另一方面该党党魁政治上很不成熟,只是一个搅局的。
          • 许多以前投保守党的(比如偶)和自由党的这次准备投绿党。绿党获得的普通选票,应该能超过5%的门坎
            • 现在看来,绿党可能获得不少同情票,至少已经有听众已经然在电台里表达这种想法了。
        • 你怎么知道绿党没有广泛的民意支持?
      • 绿党有权利参加辩论;其他政党也有权利拒绝参加辩论,或是有条件参加辩论吧。
        • 关键还是看电视台如何取舍了。
    • CBC,CTV,Global等5,6家电视台主办的辩论会也没有邀请:加拿大共产党,大麻党,马列主义党等等一堆合法政党参选领袖,因为他们的民意支持太小,如邀请他们将使电视辩论变成各说各话,失去焦点的一团糟.但是他们绝对有权利在全国参选,如果获得足够民意支持,联邦政府将资助该党运作
      • 还有温哥华某华人成立的政党也没收到邀请,告他们种族歧视。
        • 还有:于昨晚在我家BASEMENT隆重成立的加拿大土库党(现有党员1名,目标3000万),作为全国党主席的我打电话CBC要求参加电视辩论,竟然被拒,真不民主!
      • 绿党确实已有一定的民意支持度,但其政纲与自由党如出一辙,May甚至支持Dion当总理,并与自由党达成互不竞争选票的协议(绿党内部都有不满),因此保守党,NDP,魁人党均认为不公平而抵制.
    • 关于应该不应该抵制MAY参加辩论,看看老百姓的评论吧,人人心中有秆秤。