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AP: IOC: Despite questions, no proof China cheated

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛IOC: Despite questions, no proof China cheated


By NANCY ARMOUR, AP National Writer 16 minutes ago

Despite persistent questions about the ages of several members of the Chinese women's gymnastics team that won the gold medal, the International Olympic Committee said Friday there is still no proof anyone cheated and believes the controversy will be "put to rest."

The IOC asked the International Gymnastics Federation to investigate "what have been a number of questions and apparent discrepancies," spokeswoman Giselle Davies said. But all of the information the Chinese gymnastics federation has presented so far supports its insistence that its athletes were old enough to compete.

"We believe the matter will be put to rest and there's no question ... on the eligibility," Davies said. "The information we have received seems satisfactory in terms of the correct documentation — including birth certificates."

If the federation had found evidence that the gymnasts were underage, it could have affected four of China's medals. In addition to the team gold and He Kexin's gold on bars, Yang Yilin won bronze medals in the all-around and uneven bars.

Chinese coach Lu Shanzhen told The Associated Press they gave the FIG new documents on Thursday to try to remove any doubts about He's age, including an old passport, residency card and her current ID card.

Lu said all the documents were issued by various departments of the Chinese government, and that he had nothing more to put forth as evidence.

"If these valid documents are not enough to clarify this problem, then what will you believe?" an indignant Lu said.

The FIG has said repeatedly that a passport is the "accepted proof of a gymnast's eligibility," and that China's gymnasts have presented ones that show they are age eligible. The IOC also checked the girls' passports and deemed them valid before the games began.

Andre Gueisbuhler, secretary general of the FIG, said the federation would release a statement later Friday.

"For the time being, there is nothing I can add," Gueisbuhler said.

A gymnast must be 16 in an Olympic year to compete at the games. But questions about the ages of at least three of the athletes have persisted. Online records and media reports suggest three Chinese gymnasts — He, Yang and Jiang Yuyuan — might be as young as 14.

The IOC said previously that it had verified the passports of all athletes competing at the games.

"We are not in a position to say 'It's good, it's not good.' It's a government document," FIG president Bruno Grandi said earlier this week in an interview with the AP.

The IOC did not give details on what new information prompted it to act now, three days after the gymnastics competition ended.

"With some questions still remaining, we asked the federation to take a closer look," Davies said.

The Chinese women won six medals, including the team gold and He's gold on uneven bars. Media reports include a Nov. 3 story by the Chinese government's news agency, Xinhua, that suggest He is only 14. Asked earlier this week about her age again after winning the uneven bars title, beating American Nastia Liukin in a tiebreak, she said:

"I was born in 1992, and I'm 16 years old now," He said. "The FIG has proved that. If I'm under 16, I couldn't have been competing here."

Earlier this month, the AP found registration lists previously posted on the Web site of the General Administration of Sport of China that showed both He and Yang were too young to compete. He was born Jan. 1, 1994, according to the 2005, 2006 and 2007 registration lists. Yang was born Aug. 26, 1993, according to the 2004, 2005 and 2006 registration lists. In the 2007 registration list, however, her birthday has changed to Aug. 26, 1992.

"We played fair at this Olympic Games," Liukin's father and coach, Valeri, said after they arrived back in the United States. "... If somebody cheated, shame on them."

Added Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics: "USA Gymnastics has always believed this issue needed to be addressed by the FIG and IOC. An investigation would help bring closure to the issue and remove any cloud of speculation from this competition."

Age falsification has been a problem in gymnastics since the 1980s after the minimum age was raised from 14 to 15 to protect young athletes from serious injuries. The minimum age was raised to its current 16 in 1997. Younger gymnasts are considered to have an advantage because they are more flexible, and are likely to have an easier time doing the tough skills the sport requires. They also aren't as likely to have a history of injuries or fear of failure.

North Korea was barred from the 1993 world championships after FIG officials discovered Kim Gwang Suk, the gold medalist on uneven bars in 1991, was listed as 15 for three years in a row. Romania admitted in 2002 that several gymnasts' ages had been falsified, including Olympic medalists Gina Gogean and Alexandra Marinescu.

Even China's own Yang Yun, a double bronze medalist in Sydney, said during an interview aired on state broadcaster China Central Television that she was 14 in 2000.

"It's not just me. The parents of our athletes are all very indignant," Lu said. "They have faced groundless suspicion. Why aren't they believed? Why are their children suspected? Their parents are very angry."

___

Associated Press writer John Leicester and AP Sports Writer Stephen Wilson contributed to this report.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • IOC称中国女子体操选手年龄之争可以休矣。某些人白激动了。
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛2008年08月22日11:46
    尽管外界对中国女子体操队部分奖牌获得者的年龄问题仍抱有疑问,但国际奥委会
    (IOC)周五表示,目前并无证据表明有人作弊,他们相信这方面的争议可以“了结了”。

    Associated Press

    何可欣和其他两位中国选手被怀疑真实年龄低于申报年龄,中国方面已再次向体操管理机构发文,表明这运动员是合格的,中国女子体操队教练陆善真说,这些女孩的家庭对这事迟迟过不去感到很“愤慨”。

    陆善真说:不光是我,我们队员的父母也都非常气愤。他们受到毫无根 的怀疑。为什么没人相信他们?为什么他们的孩子要受到怀疑?他们的父母非常愤怒。

    IOC发言人吉斯勒¨戴维斯(Giselle Davies)说,IOC已要求国际体操联合会(FIG)对外界抱有大量疑问并且明显存在矛盾的事进行调查。国际体操联合会一再表示护照是表明体操选手是否已到参赛年龄的公认证据,中国体操选手提供的护照显示她们已到参赛年龄。IOC在比赛开始前也检查过女选手们的护照,并且认为是有效的。

    陆善真说:中国队周四晚间给FIG的文件资料包括获得两枚金牌的何可欣现在和以前的护照、身份证和户口簿。陆善真说,这些资料显示何可欣1992年出生,因此她现在满足奥运会体操项目的年龄要求。体操选手在奥运会举办当年必须达到16岁才能参赛。

    吉斯勒说:我们认为这件事可以了结了在年龄是否达标方面已没有问题。从我们已经得到的信息看,证明文件的真实性是让人满意的--包括出生证。

    如果体操联合会发现这些选手年龄不达标的证据,中国可能会有4块奖牌受影响。中国体操女选手这次共获得6枚奖牌,包括团体金牌和何可欣获得的一块高低杠金牌。杨依琳在个人全能和高低杠上获得两块铜牌。据网上资料及媒体以前的报导暗示,何可欣、杨依琳和江钰源三位选手可能只有14岁。

    陆善真问道:难道这些档案资料还不足以证明她的出生年月吗?护照是中国外交部签发的。身份证是公安部门发的,如果这些有效证件还不足以说明问题,那么什么才能让你相信?

    “中国政府和中国运动员必须得到尊重,”他说。

    FIG秘书长安德烈奎斯伯勒(Andre Gueisbuhler)说,FIG周五晚些时候将发表声明。

    上述媒体报导包括中国官方媒体新华社2007年11月3日的一篇文章,其中暗示何可欣只有14岁。

    根据中国国家体育总局(General Administration of Sport of China)网站之前登载的登记记录,何可欣和杨依琳都达不到竞赛年龄。该网站2005、2006和2007年的登记记录显示,何可欣是1994年1月1日出生。2004、2005和2006年的记录显示杨依琳是1993年8月26日出生。不过,在2007年的登记记录里,杨依琳的出生日期变成了1992年8月26。

    陆善真说,如果你不相信政府,而相信网上的每条消息有那么多网站,那么多道听途说的东西。这些都不是官方说法,难道互联网上的消息都是真的吗?

    (本文译自美联社(ASSOCIATED PRESS)世界更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 意料之中。
    • 互联网早就成了造谣生事者的“基地”组织了。
    • "身份证是公安部门发的,如果这些有效证件还不足以说明问题,那么什么才能让你相信?" how dare are those sour grapes, LOL
      • 007的护照是谁发的?
        • MI6
    • AP: IOC: Despite questions, no proof China cheated
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛IOC: Despite questions, no proof China cheated


      By NANCY ARMOUR, AP National Writer 16 minutes ago

      Despite persistent questions about the ages of several members of the Chinese women's gymnastics team that won the gold medal, the International Olympic Committee said Friday there is still no proof anyone cheated and believes the controversy will be "put to rest."

      The IOC asked the International Gymnastics Federation to investigate "what have been a number of questions and apparent discrepancies," spokeswoman Giselle Davies said. But all of the information the Chinese gymnastics federation has presented so far supports its insistence that its athletes were old enough to compete.

      "We believe the matter will be put to rest and there's no question ... on the eligibility," Davies said. "The information we have received seems satisfactory in terms of the correct documentation — including birth certificates."

      If the federation had found evidence that the gymnasts were underage, it could have affected four of China's medals. In addition to the team gold and He Kexin's gold on bars, Yang Yilin won bronze medals in the all-around and uneven bars.

      Chinese coach Lu Shanzhen told The Associated Press they gave the FIG new documents on Thursday to try to remove any doubts about He's age, including an old passport, residency card and her current ID card.

      Lu said all the documents were issued by various departments of the Chinese government, and that he had nothing more to put forth as evidence.

      "If these valid documents are not enough to clarify this problem, then what will you believe?" an indignant Lu said.

      The FIG has said repeatedly that a passport is the "accepted proof of a gymnast's eligibility," and that China's gymnasts have presented ones that show they are age eligible. The IOC also checked the girls' passports and deemed them valid before the games began.

      Andre Gueisbuhler, secretary general of the FIG, said the federation would release a statement later Friday.

      "For the time being, there is nothing I can add," Gueisbuhler said.

      A gymnast must be 16 in an Olympic year to compete at the games. But questions about the ages of at least three of the athletes have persisted. Online records and media reports suggest three Chinese gymnasts — He, Yang and Jiang Yuyuan — might be as young as 14.

      The IOC said previously that it had verified the passports of all athletes competing at the games.

      "We are not in a position to say 'It's good, it's not good.' It's a government document," FIG president Bruno Grandi said earlier this week in an interview with the AP.

      The IOC did not give details on what new information prompted it to act now, three days after the gymnastics competition ended.

      "With some questions still remaining, we asked the federation to take a closer look," Davies said.

      The Chinese women won six medals, including the team gold and He's gold on uneven bars. Media reports include a Nov. 3 story by the Chinese government's news agency, Xinhua, that suggest He is only 14. Asked earlier this week about her age again after winning the uneven bars title, beating American Nastia Liukin in a tiebreak, she said:

      "I was born in 1992, and I'm 16 years old now," He said. "The FIG has proved that. If I'm under 16, I couldn't have been competing here."

      Earlier this month, the AP found registration lists previously posted on the Web site of the General Administration of Sport of China that showed both He and Yang were too young to compete. He was born Jan. 1, 1994, according to the 2005, 2006 and 2007 registration lists. Yang was born Aug. 26, 1993, according to the 2004, 2005 and 2006 registration lists. In the 2007 registration list, however, her birthday has changed to Aug. 26, 1992.

      "We played fair at this Olympic Games," Liukin's father and coach, Valeri, said after they arrived back in the United States. "... If somebody cheated, shame on them."

      Added Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics: "USA Gymnastics has always believed this issue needed to be addressed by the FIG and IOC. An investigation would help bring closure to the issue and remove any cloud of speculation from this competition."

      Age falsification has been a problem in gymnastics since the 1980s after the minimum age was raised from 14 to 15 to protect young athletes from serious injuries. The minimum age was raised to its current 16 in 1997. Younger gymnasts are considered to have an advantage because they are more flexible, and are likely to have an easier time doing the tough skills the sport requires. They also aren't as likely to have a history of injuries or fear of failure.

      North Korea was barred from the 1993 world championships after FIG officials discovered Kim Gwang Suk, the gold medalist on uneven bars in 1991, was listed as 15 for three years in a row. Romania admitted in 2002 that several gymnasts' ages had been falsified, including Olympic medalists Gina Gogean and Alexandra Marinescu.

      Even China's own Yang Yun, a double bronze medalist in Sydney, said during an interview aired on state broadcaster China Central Television that she was 14 in 2000.

      "It's not just me. The parents of our athletes are all very indignant," Lu said. "They have faced groundless suspicion. Why aren't they believed? Why are their children suspected? Their parents are very angry."

      ___

      Associated Press writer John Leicester and AP Sports Writer Stephen Wilson contributed to this report.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 就算是做假, 也无法找到证据. 老外咋会想到连警察局也会参与做假? 连警察局都做假, 你又能从哪里再找到什么鬼证据?
      • 美国人准备派特工打进当地公安局
      • 是不是特无奈啊?
        • 是很无奈. 去年云南一个法官被当地派出所拘留. 一天后浑身伤痕累累死在派出所. 除了无奈, 还能说什么
          • 辛普森明明杀了老婆,大家也还是无奈地看着嘛。
            • 再说就又扯远了. 到中美人民都无奈为止吧
            • 我给你举个例子吧.
              一个人曾经五次超速被罚.当他第六次因为超速站在法庭上时,警察没来.法官会不会在没有证据的情况下因为他是个超速掼犯而判你有罪.你明明知道自己超速了,但他是不是觉得法律拿他很无奈?
    • 嗯,好消息。其它的不重要,最重要的是中国以此为鉴,从此全方位不造假,不吃药。
      • 做梦而已。一个责任人都没查处,下次只能更疯狂的去造假。这次年龄造假,成功了是金牌一块,失败还是一块金牌。对骗子来讲,毫无损失,下次不更加变本加厉的造假,就算对不起党。
        • 你基于臆测,也是撒谎和造价的臆测。一边凉快去。
          • 你一边发热去?
        • 最大的可能是首发HE14岁那条新闻的媒体领导人,编辑记者会受处分。以此警告中国新闻人应具有前瞻性,对于重大长远的国际事物要早统一口径,象国家体操队备战奥运那样,早5年就开始。
          • 应该从娃娃抓起啊。
          • 当时没料到需要何去参加奥运会
      • 根本没做假鉴什么鉴?贱骨头吗?
    • 我的天啊。到现在还有人说“要相信政府,不要相信网上那些消息”。此人是不是没在中国生活过?
      • 有道是“政府靠得住,母猪会上树”
        • 这话我以前说过, 可惜没有去注册专利
      • 如果要去相信网上的那些消息,我宁可相信政府。
        • 很多资料是出自政府的网站,你怎么去相信?
          • 我说的是网上的那些消息。不是说网站本身。凡是大的新闻机构都会审核自己的新闻源。除非有特别的动机,一般不会刊登伤害自己信誉的新闻。但是消息就不一样,它就是要吸引眼球,有的甚至制造新闻。事后连句道歉都不用。
            • 年龄作假的资料不是出自你说的所谓网络消息。中国体育总局局长的话,你信不信?中国体育局官方网站的运动员注册名册,你信不信?
              • 美国官方报道,年龄作假的材料是一个黑客提供的。其他的消息,我不会去相信。中国官方的解释也同样是参考。相比消息的真真假假,我更加相信我自己的判断。对于体操队的年龄,我保持怀疑态度。
                老外看中国人的年龄会有很大的偏差,中国人不会。所以我认为他们的年龄存在怀疑。
                • If that guy can be called a hacker, then everyone can be a hacker. He simply pulled out the cache from Baidu.
            • 2007年城运会女子体操项目,运动员不得小于13岁,不得高于15岁。 2008奥运会年龄不得低于16岁。她两个都参加了。
              • ?07年15岁,08年16岁。正常啊。那个表格是显示她当时14岁。不是你说的这些。
                • 报的是13岁,是有很多佐证的。
                • 表格显示的是94年出生。
                  • 我看到的。但是我也看到过一部几年前的录像,对当时准备参加奥运的选手的简洁(包括年龄)。大家选择信什么是大家的自由。我想说的是网上的报料假的比真的多。
                    记者的权利也已经被滥用了。职业精神和职业道德也越来越差。那些拍拍垃圾和整天制造新闻的狗仔队。那些网络上满天飞,事后又被证明是无稽之谈的谣言。
    • 不调查,调查了没结果,你们就该激动了? 一个未成年的女孩子,被操纵着向全世界撒谎:“我16岁了,我15岁的生日是在国家队里过的。” 你们不觉得不寒而栗么?你们就这样教育你们自己的孩子?
      • 国家利益, 国家利益, 以及隐藏在之后的小集团和个人利益
      • 其实不用心急,如果你错了呢,她就是16岁呢?你又教育了你的孩子些什么呢? 耐心点。别急着下结论。有坑也说不定呢。CNN都掉了进去,不是吗?
        其实我看,等待中国的声音是比较有参考价值的。中国不是有人肉搜索吗?等等看,不是更好吗。
        • 16岁又怎样?那她去年承认自己13岁就不是撒谎了?对中国人撒谎就可以比较的不丢面子,是么?在我看是一样的:小孩子被操纵着公开撒谎!
          • 记得贺绍强当初在法庭上找了一个证人做证在中国百姓对政府做假很正常, 因为大家认为对政府撒谎就不算撒谎
            • 你我都是国内生活多年的成年人,我们都心知又无奈。但,我不明白有些人离开那种环境那么多年了,还是分不清什么是作假和怎么看待作假。
              • 也许你很习惯,但是我很反感造假。我也不会随便指责谁在造假,因为如果你没有证据,就变成了你在造假。
                • 去年声称13,今年16,还不是假?你还要什么证据??????????
                  • 证据就是如何证明她没有16岁,不能参加奥运会。我说过我对造假一向反感。并且怀疑她的年龄。 但是如果没有办法证明她不是16岁。我想不出为什么不接受这个事实?
                    至于你说城运会造假年龄,根本不是你想讨论的议题不是吗?
                    • 16岁又怎样?那她去年承认自己13岁就不是撒谎了?对中国人撒谎就可以比较的不丢面子,是么?在我看是一样的:小孩子被操纵着公开撒谎!--------这是我楼上,你跟下来的。放弃城运会,坚守奥运,这也是那些人唯一能做的了。你信服么?
                      • 在你指责一个小孩子撒谎前,请尊重事实:她重来没有承认自己13岁。你觉得她说自己15岁在队里过的。你也无法证实是小女孩主观做出这样的事情,你可以去批判体育总局的官员。你没有任何证据的情况下指责一个小女孩说了谎,请摆出你的证据。
                        • 城运会有大量报道,说她是13,她有否认么?你不要说不否认不等于承认!
                          • 城运会有大量报道,说她是13?
                          • 不觉得城运会会对参赛选手的年龄那么关注。
                            • 那你多做些研究吧。我给你两个来源:城运会10大明星,体总局局长讲话,都提到她的名字年龄,是13岁。
                              • 没有看到过。不过我还是怀疑她的实际年龄了。只是我想说,如果我不能证实她确实没有16岁,我不会随便发表批评。还不如去做一次人肉搜索呢。事实始终在那里的。
                                • 她是不是16,很可能成了永远的秘密,你也不用批评了。
                                  • 我们可以打个赌,真相一定会出来的。
                                  • 只是可能她真的16岁。
                                    我不知道,反正整个体操队看上去就都很小。
              • 他们也很清楚, 但因为种种因素不愿承认罢了
          • 没看到她哪里去年承认过自己13岁?
            • 城运会体操是要求13岁以下参加的,她不承认怎么去参加?
              • 这时候你又选择性失明了。中国的体制下,运动员参加比赛是安排的。不等于她承认自己13岁。需要证明的是她没有16岁。如果不能证明这点,上面的争论,外国媒体的质疑,IOC的调查有什么意义呢?
                • 她难道不知到城运会的章程?还是她不知道自己的真实年龄?我针对的也不是一个女孩子,是操纵作假的背后集体。
                  • 那你就应该调整你的方向。四川地震的教学楼到现在还没有下文呢。对一个小女孩发威!
                    • 小孩子被操纵着公开撒谎!-----这句话的意思是罪魁祸首不是小孩子,你好好理解吧。
                      • 你这句话,不是指责小孩子说谎了?我的语文退步了?:)
                        • 的确是的。如果只是一个小孩说谎才没那么恐怖呢。没有背后的操纵,小孩子给她天大的胆也不敢这么作假。你还是多查查资料在做判断吧。
                          • 真不知道你如何证据确凿的指正人家说谎。我不知道中国的人肉搜索会不会展开。也许你是对的,不过在没有足够的证据前,说话保守点,没错的。免得到时后悔。
                            • 不是城运会就是奥运会,小孩子被--操--纵--着说谎。这个结论不需要更多的证据。有本事你推翻它。你不要只会批评我针对小孩子,小孩子是牺牲品,不是罪魁祸首。
                              • 好霸道的结论。幸好我不必接受。
                              • 没有任何结论是不需要严密的证据支持的。我始终不会对孩子是否撒了谎做出结论。等有了结论再批评不迟。我始终对孩子的真实年龄保留怀疑。因为目前的证据不足以支持两方的说法。
                  • 我没有针对你个人的意思,但是看看你第一个帖,就知道我为什么针对你了。 你没有证据说人家撒谎。
                    至于中国的造假,还需要你我证明吗?
    • 没有什么可激动可不激动的, 孩子,家长, 和整个国家都丧失了信用..."Even China’s own Yang Yun, a double bronze medalist in Sydney, said during an interview aired on state broadcaster China Central Television that she was 14 during the 2000 Games."
      • she is capable of getting the gold, who cares how old she is.
    • Obviously, He Kexin is underage. I suspect some other countries are doing this too.
      I hope all the people invovled in this scandal could be punished.