Topic: 周末再来凑凑热闹: 关于IT人要不要知道Accenture的问题, 俺以前真不知道Accenture, 听说过名字而已, 看了这几天的讨论, 认真查一查, 结论: 它是个IT公司, 但远不是Top player, IT弟兄知不知道都没关系. 理由: @华人论坛:枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of

工作学习 / 专业知识杂谈 / 周末再来凑凑热闹: 关于IT人要不要知道Accenture的问题, 俺以前真不知道Accenture, 听说过名字而已, 看了这几天的讨论, 认真查一查, 结论: 它是个IT公司, 但远不是Top player, IT弟兄知不知道都没关系. 理由: -javacup(风铃); 2005-5-28 {699} (#2317226@0)

赚钱是硬道理，哪怕什么都不知道，有人愿意付钱就行。那才是大牛。打工不就是为了賺钱嘛！！在网上吹牛就是另外一回事了，hehe. -647i(六不一没有); 2005-5-28 (#2317382@0)

SHOW ME THE MONEY is always true. it's also true that one can only have enough profit when there're no/few competitors. With a bunch of competitors around, there's no other choice but to cut profit. -javacup(风铃); 2005-5-30 (#2319855@0)

That's about you. you make things happen(ed) differently, you make different volumn money come to you than others. How to make/made things different than others? That's your strength as consultant/other competetors. -647i(六不一没有); 2005-5-30 (#2319864@0)

多谢提醒, 让我想到一个更重要的问题: 人均产值. 按software magzine报的产值和雇员人数粗算, Accenture在前10名里面偏低, 仅高于HP和 Hitachi. 要想多赚钱, 傻瓜也知道最有效的途径是什么. -javacup(风铃); 2005-5-30 (#2320143@0)

I wish you know a bit more about what is IT consulting. -axe(Just A Joke); 2005-5-28 (#2318011@0)

Accenture's been going a lot down in the last few years. It ranked at Number .5 among all consulting firms ( including management consulting etc.) in2002 but only at Number 13 this year. -axe(Just A Joke); 2005-5-28 (#2318035@0)

有, 已经到了有即是无, 无即是有的最高境界. Service就是它的产品----IT业的顶尖咨询公司之一. -jumpjungle(jungle); 2005-5-29 (#2318985@0)

PF, 您连这DD都知道. 看看这名字Most prestigious --"These firms were selected because of ... their interest to job seekers" !!! 第1, 7, 9, 13, 24去年都NR???? 而且"IBM Global Services"是IBM多大的一个部门啊? -javacup(风铃); 2005-5-29 (#2319422@0)

又琢磨半天了, interest to 是谁对谁感兴趣啊? 按常理应该是job seeker对公司感兴趣才对啊. -guest3(guest); 2005-5-30 (#2319737@0)

你看看你看看，瞧你说的多么地书呆子气！：）Accenture是IT咨询公司（只提供服务不搞产品），其前身是安达信咨询公司（Andersen Consulting），属于传统的“五大咨询”之一。AC及对应的审计公司因为安然事件倒台后，就变成了现在这个。 -hsl(胡司乱令); 2005-5-30 (#2321184@0)

我的天，连这都成为问题；）想想看，难道只有产品的厂家才能服务？你真的不知道服务和咨询的概念？？ -hsl(胡司乱令); 2005-6-1 (#2323161@0)

Do a little research on the company's history then you would know what you were talking about. -axe(Just A Joke); 2005-6-1 (#2323200@0)

no need buddy. it's all in my mind. if you think i said something wrong, spit it out, instead of accusing vaguely. :) -hsl(胡司乱令); 2005-6-1 (#2323410@0)

i probably made a mistake in stating that Accenture came out AFTER the Enron scandal. ;) -hsl(胡司乱令); 2005-6-1 (#2323437@0)

Accenture has not skills at all. Simir with IBM Global Service. I am now working with an Accenture consultant, an idiot who bill 180US dollars per hour.Accenture was a spun off from Anderson solely for ripping off investors (because the Anderson accoutnign firm can not go public). -cerboros(Once Upon Great King); 2005-5-31 {129} (#2322612@0)

One bad apple does't mean anything. A few mistakes in your posting doesn't imply that you are incapable. The one you are working with may be just an analyst. Consultant's billing rate should be higher than $180.. -axe(Just A Joke); 2005-5-31 (#2322616@0)
that sounds like a very junior consultant's rate (or lower). in general, big-company consultants are more or less useless. that's one of the reasons why i "fired" one of the big-4's. ;)the spinoff of a consulting firm from its parent accounting/auditing firm is a good thing if the parent firm is big with many clients. because you don't want to have the same firm audit the work done by themselves (consultants). ;) -hsl(胡司乱令); 2005-6-1 {233} (#2323162@0)

If it were the true picture, consulting industry would have lost ground years ago. If you knew how much leading companies spend on consulting services, you would have stopped making such remarks. -axe(Just A Joke); 2005-6-1 (#2323203@0)

dont get offended even if you work in this industry. ;) and dont be naive thinking that leading companies spending big $$ in consulting means something. that's just part of the money-rotation game.what they buy is really the brand name mostly. tell ya the truth, i do NOT 看好 these big firms doing biz in tech fields! feel free to critique ;) -hsl(胡司乱令); 2005-6-1 {148} (#2323430@0)

There are different schools of thinking. Going extreme either over or under-estimate consulting business wouldn't affect the reality. Companies have to make a profit and there is no company would spend money and get nothing on ROI. -axe(Just A Joke); 2005-6-2 (#2324780@0)

1) i'm not nagative on consulting biz in general! i'm negative on IT consulting by traditional "big-name" firms. 2) name-branding is a lot of times a warranty for returns. -hsl(胡司乱令); 2005-6-2 (#2324915@0)

As you said "name-branding is a lot of times a warranty for returns". Brand name comes from long standing industry reputations. And a brand name cannot be built in a day. -axe(Just A Joke); 2005-6-2 (#2324959@0)

ok, one more try be4 i give up :)....the big-named firms have misused/abused their brand names for something they are not good at (like the cutting-edge technology). -hsl(胡司乱令); 2005-6-2 (#2325051@0)

Then they might be very good as they have repeat customers all the time and often charge them big money. I give up now. -axe(Just A Joke); 2005-6-2 (#2326161@0)

good you give up, and same here. as it seems a long way for you to get the point through short postings like these. good night! -hsl(胡司乱令); 2005-6-2 (#2326373@0)

就算Accenture排不上咨询业的前5名, 也不代表大家不应该认识它吧. 你的结论太绝对了 -henryxy(亨利大帝); 2005-6-2 (#2324808@0)

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