Topic: 毕业歌//田汉词聂耳曲 @华人论坛:枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of

枫下拾英 / 乐韵书香 / 毕业歌//田汉词聂耳曲 -table(桌子来了); 2005-6-3 {339} (#2326907@0)

祖母级别的激情，仍然可以点燃心中的火焰。 -table(桌子来了); 2005-6-3 (#2326973@0)

姐姐，现在是和平年代。 -llrm(小陳); 2005-6-3 (#2326990@0)
桌子大侠，请 #2325500 -gthm(新人王); 2005-6-3 (#2327002@0)

re (#2325500): without full disclosure of the event and proper reading of the history, I think young people's opinion will be distorted. -klassische(老音乐迷); 2005-6-3 (#2327026@0)

agree #2322253 -llrm(小陳); 2005-6-3 (#2327046@0)
不能不同意了~ -njzy("王朔"); 2005-6-3 (#2327118@0)

前<罗马, 不设防的城市>的革命浪漫主义, :) -klassische(老音乐迷); 2005-6-3 (#2327077@0)

一向以激情浪漫出名的意大利人，出个把墨索尼尼试图联合德国一统天下，到也是可以理解，可这最生硬最死板最干瘪瘪的德国人，居然干出天底下最激情的构想和行动，法西斯是他们理性认同之后的行为？ -table(桌子来了); 2005-6-3 (#2327307@0)

别忘了意大利是罗马帝国的核心. 法西斯是他们理性思维走向极端的结果德国人历史上一直在欧洲有强列的自卑感. 意大利的文艺复兴, 法国的启蒙运动及法国大革命(当然还有起肥效的土地及美味的葡萄酒), 还有英国的光荣革命及工业革命, 乃至荷兰在十五,十六世纪的繁荣都让德意志民族感到自己的落后. 在最求进步的过程中徳国的思想家有走上了追求完美的极端, 以致于过多的强调理性, 国家, 民族, 而扁底了个人. 中国在二十世纪不也是一样的吗? 所以我最怕的就是忧国忧民的知识分子来制定国家政策了! -klassische(老音乐迷); 2005-6-3 {392} (#2327351@0)

这个坛子上这样忧国忧民的知识分子还不少非常多，比如(#2327113) -table(桌子来了); 2005-6-3 (#2327359@0)

这种激情是可贵的, 是良心的表现, 但用来决定影响芸芸众生的政策就太危险了. -klassische(老音乐迷); 2005-6-3 (#2327386@0)

难得你这样方式的爱国，可叹的是，不少爱国同胞，很少意识到，政治决策也是非常严密的科学，对一个缺乏反对党制衡的政权，尤其如此，光有爱国激情是不够的，超英赶美，跑步进入共产主义，哪是多美的革命浪漫主义啊！ -table(桌子来了); 2005-6-3 (#2327401@0)

是啊. 可能是成长环境的原音, 革命浪漫主义在我这代人心中总有一个soft spot. 记得几年前的一个晚上在台湾日月潭边上与朋友们一起大唱打倒蒋匪帮时别提有多畅快了但在座谈会上听到我的那些朋友们为了反对台独而强词夺理时, 我又感到非常的难受和无奈. -klassische(老音乐迷); 2005-6-3 {81} (#2327421@0)

你在台湾日月潭边上与朋友们一起大唱打倒蒋匪帮时,那民进党的同志们在一边乐开了~~:) -njzy("王朔"); 2005-6-3 (#2327830@0)

当时身边没有民进党, 只有国民党员们对我们唱: "...共匪, 杀! 杀! 杀!" :) -klassische(老音乐迷); 2005-6-3 (#2327851@0)

You failed to mention the Reformation in Germany altogether. Martin Luther, the Protestant church, the new religion, and all that stuff. Where would you place them in historical context?and the Sturm und Drang .... The Enlightenment was not confined to France only. Remember both Mozart and Haydn were members of the Freemasonry, and Beethoven was notably under the influence of the free spirit that characterized the Enlightenment. By the way, I'm reading Solomon's biography on Beethoven, just finished the part on his Bonn period.

Really, why would the Germans feel inferior to the rest of Europe? I can't agree with you on this. -lifesucks(Ask me if I care); 2005-6-3 {456} (#2327708@0)

most of the movements i mentioned in other countries have been associated with significant improvement of the economic well being of average people in those countriesbut not in Germany, especially not in the eastern part of Germany. Economically (and maybe militarily) they had been dominated by those countries until one hundred years after industrial revolution when German became a leader in steel and chemical industry. Not for long, though, they then suffered defeat in World War I... It had been a nation frustrated with its fate. -klassische(老音乐迷); 2005-6-3 {370} (#2327795@0)

如今的英文媒体，居然也经常做专题，提到的ＸＸ崛起和ＸＸ繁荣昌盛 -table(桌子来了); 2005-6-3 (#2327809@0)

Media here is always several years behind reality when it comes to China.with the huge trade deficit in the US and the cheap goods in Wal Mart, they finally realized the economic importance of China, which they should have many years ago. -klassische(老音乐迷); 2005-6-3 {165} (#2327817@0)

作为局外人替某些人感觉是“无边落木萧萧下，不尽长江滚滚来”~~ -njzy("王朔"); 2005-6-3 (#2327827@0)

没看到我是"酒逢知己千杯少"吗? 其实我是到了喝酒的第二个节段: 胡言乱语. :P -klassische(老音乐迷); 2005-6-3 (#2327859@0)

第一阶段的"豪言壮语"还没完,怎么会是第二阶段?:P ~~找了一个转帖的"喝酒的五个阶段"---> -njzy("王朔"); 2005-6-3 {1492} (#2327905@0)

高见高论，单独开个主题帖子？@_@ -table(桌子来了); 2005-6-3 (#2327910@0)

哪个版合适?;) -njzy("王朔"); 2005-6-3 (#2327916@0)

亲亲宝贝, 事业与工作, 专业技术讨论, or 求学深造 -fangsongfangsong(放松放松); 2005-6-3 (#2327925@0)

可不可以直接进第五? ;-) -fangsongfangsong(放松放松); 2005-6-3 (#2327920@0)

I believe some people just have it in their system. ;-) -fangsongfangsong(放松放松); 2005-6-3 (#2327930@0)

Ah ha! Economics is your tour de force, I will not argue with you on that, certainly you have much more insight than anyone on this forum. But on matters concerning culture and art, I will hold my belief.Everyone should have known by now, without the advent of Martin Luther's epoch-making reform on Christianity, a lot of cultural innovations and political changes could not have been possible. Bach, for one, could not have composed his 200+ cantatas had there not been a German transcription of the Bible formerly written in Latin. -lifesucks(Ask me if I care); 2005-6-3 {332} (#2327829@0)

I agree on that. Without reformation renaissance in Italy might be quite different.But the impact of reformation seemed to have its largest economic impact in England and the largest cultural impact in Italy, but not in Germany. Again, it's not about the backwardness of intellectuals or elites, but the backwardness of a nation -klassische(老音乐迷); 2005-6-3 {246} (#2327847@0)

老迷讲的好~~ -njzy("王朔"); 2005-6-3 (#2327799@0)

法西斯的行为不是激情, 是狂热, 不是浪漫, 是冷酷 -klassische(老音乐迷); 2005-6-3 (#2327355@0)

这次反日游行，新新人类总算找到一个很好的冠冕堂皇的理由，来表达自己的革命激情了。 -table(桌子来了); 2005-6-3 (#2327597@0)

正是这种激情让我们64冲上街头.也正是这种激情让我们无时不希望中国强大.反对一切反华势力. -wanle(haoshou); 2005-6-3 (#2327113@0)

你64那会儿也冲上了街头？ -gthm(新人王); 2005-6-3 (#2327116@0)

当然，他显然是袁木的后人吗！ -maple88(枫叶); 2005-6-3 (#2327123@0)
是那时大学生的,有不上街的吗? -wanle(haoshou); 2005-6-3 (#2327125@0)

64过后,谣传还有军队进京,6月7日还是8日.京沪铁路的堵截.你知道吗? -wanle(haoshou); 2005-6-3 (#2327142@0)

我们大学歌咏比赛就是选的毕业歌和国际歌。真怀疑老师是故意的。不过，国际歌没通过政审，换了首情歌：半个月亮爬上来。 -lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂); 2005-6-3 (#2327926@0)

哪里的大学，什么时候？半个月亮爬上来换得好。 -fangsongfangsong(放松放松); 2005-6-3 (#2327933@0)

89以后，具体忘记那一年了。无伴奏，好听啊。 -lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂); 2005-6-3 (#2327942@0)

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