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枫下佳缘 / 快乐单身 / Why "男单大部分都不好，少部分有高薪，大部分在打LABOR", while "女单大部分拥有不错的工作," though 少部分在LABOR", as Mr. fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼) claimed?For my information, more 男单 have a better career than 女单 before they come to Canada.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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加拿大性别歧视少，女性容易成功。女国移比男国移优秀，更聪明，更适应变化，更有忍耐力。在歧视环境下自以为是根葱的男国移，一旦失去了歧视保护伞，结果发现自己原来是草。男国移们开始扔砖吧！其实是社会和婚姻角色定位问题，女的一般是Marry up，男的一般是Marry down. 这在亚洲尤其突出，男的要在社会上出人头地，女的要找一个人靠。尽管男女平等了，这Culture的变化需要时间。所以没能结婚的往往是Top girls & Bottom guys，Top girls眼睛往上看，就找不到几个可嫁的人，Bottom guys也很难找到配偶。更惨的是，女的一边要Marry-up但又不肯温柔顺从，男的一边要温柔顺从但又期望女的能挣钱养家，平衡相互冲突的要求太难了。女的也别抱怨，想想和日本女孩温柔如水的差距。男的也别痛苦，比比没有好工作的日本男人试试。有果总是先有因的。
-lovenature(BlackBear);
2005-12-30
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-sr-71(Blackbird);
2005-12-30
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I heard that Chinese men are the more difficult ones to please.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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不同风格而已。加人约会，先亲吻每一只癞蛤蟆，再看看是不是青蛙王子。国人约会，是先想想是不是青蛙王子，再决定亲吻与否。
-lovenature(BlackBear);
2006-1-2
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真的女单们拥有较好的工作吗？我看不见得。只是加拿大人有这样传统的分工，办公室里的打杂工作都是用女性，所以中国女单们就有了这白领但低薪的工作，看起来坐办公室是高级一点，但实际工资不比累脖好。
-yumig(苦恼);
2005-12-30
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Right. The majority of women are working in clerical work or retail services, which are mostly low-paid. It seems that some Chinese tend to think of office jobs as good jobs, no matter how much they are paid.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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我要是有体力,也愿意做蓝领,很省心,还有工会罩着.唯一不好是上夜班,呵呵.
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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Right. See those garbage collectors, they earn more than 50,000 a year.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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and TTC driver... 我一朋友家,LP读了master做专业工作,结果和没上学的操作机器的LG工资差不多,机会还少,LG很是得意.
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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Yeah, what's the point of being a master? Sigh. One of my friends just got her master of psychology, and hasn't found any job yet. She said she may go to some college to study something else.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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I think it is because that is what she loves to do. Sometimes people choose to do research rather than making alot money simply because they do what they like to do, and having a simple life.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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Right. The brutality of reality is that some people cannot make a living on their degrees.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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公司里真正从事技术工作的，还是男的多。以我自己这个公司说，160多的branch只有43个是女性，43个女性中做Engineer的只有12个。
-easychat(easychat);
2005-12-31
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我看女单也未毕象您说的那样, 可能女"挨踢"高薪的机会更多吧, 正所谓一人"挨踢", 全家光容
-ibelieveicanfly(东边日出西边雨);
2005-12-30
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Is the unemployment rate in IT higher than before?
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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男IT女会计算是典型移民家庭最佳组合,工作机会都挺多.
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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But most of those working opportunities are contract-based, aren't they?
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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不是啊,做contract的都是想多挣钱.有一个稳定就可以了.
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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How much does an accounting person earn for one hour?
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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不知道啊,IT应该很高的.
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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据我所知，从COLLEGE里学个一年出来的，找到工作的从8元/HR到12、3元/HR，还有一些找不到的，只好去做别的事。BTW，你英语这么好，是学英语专业的吗？
-yumig(苦恼);
2005-12-30
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I am surprised that it is low. Most cashiers without any college diplomas can get around 8 dollars ah hour.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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蛙就一个字
-seinfeld(illusion);
2005-12-31
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What can those Top Girls and Bottom Guys do? Is it because they are minority that not many people care about their situation? Is it their fate?
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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Top ones and bottom ones can try to compromise a bit, if they don't want to end up alone by themselves. Bottom guys may need to improve their own tastes and images.Just because you are a bottom guy doesn't mean you are not a good guy.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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That is a good idea. What about Top Girls?
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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Top girls may need to compromise themselves a bit as well, such that they can date middle guys instead of focusing their eyes only on top guys.Many top guys have their eyes on women's faces rather than working experiences.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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I don't understand why western female PHD can marry a male college diploma holder, while Chinese cannot.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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看看征婚广告就知道了,求偶观念差别很大的.BTW,How do you define top girls?对西人而言,最HOT的girl没几个上college的,
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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hot 是hot, top 是top. 而且不管什么文化背景，大体而言，受过良好教育的人总是获得更多的尊重。另一方面，hot总是别人对女人的评价，女人自己对自己的评价更重要。
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-30
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so you mean Top=phD?
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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no
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-30
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but in my eyes, or i should say in most people's eyes, phd deserves more respect than hot girl.
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-30
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Right, but what if the hot girls without PHD earn much more money than a PHD? Do you think people still respect the PHD more? This is a market-oriented world.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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Some people respect those who have financial achievement. Others respect those who have academic achievement. In my opinion, there is not only one type of achievement should be respected.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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Right, but mostly rich people naturally receive more respect, no matter how they make themselves rich.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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I don't mean this is a correct attitude, and what I mean is that this is a popular phenomenon.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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I agree that it is social phenomenon.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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I don't think so. why do phD deserve more respect? hot girls may have better quality 我是说善良,诚实,自信等素质.很多高中的HOT GIRLS最终都从事很平常的工作,做好妻子好母亲.不过咱们这样general speaking没什么意义.
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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then it is not necessary to say 'HOT GIRL'. Most girls have special quality, and will be good wives and good mothers.
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-30
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Right, but honestly speaking, how many people respect a home-maker than a PHD having a respectable career, even though the home-maker is a nice human being.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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You have a very ideal and perfectinist view of the standards on which respect rely, but the reality may be a different story.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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也许你是对的,不过我就是这么做的,从不因为一个人的职位,学历,金钱,年龄尊重他.
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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Me too.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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But I won't marry a guy without 职位,学历. :)
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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李家诚的二公子，好象也没有学位。超级白金王老五。拒绝吗？
-somewhere(身为女人);
2005-12-30
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特例不具普遍性, 表示反对
-ibelieveicanfly(东边日出西边雨);
2005-12-30
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Right.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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但是他有职位啊。学历最终也是为了职位，直接有了好职位，学历就可以马虎一点了。
-yumig(苦恼);
2005-12-30
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Yeah.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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其实说半天,尊重和吸引结婚两回事,呵呵.
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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They are two different definitions, but by nature, they are similary related to each other. One pre-requisite the other.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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Some PHD cannot earn any money because of limited market capacities. Top ones should have certain degrees and stable high income.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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这个说得对！象那位找不到工作的心理学女硕士，除了浪费金钱和时间，这个硕士文凭有任何作用么？还不如早到COLLEGE里读个实用的东西，有一份踏实挣钱的工作更可获得人们的尊敬。
-yumig(苦恼);
2005-12-30
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I think her master degree is worthwhile. A diploma may open a door for her in job hunting, while her master degree will bring her higher in terms of promotion.For my information, degrees are required by many professional organizations when they hire managers.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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如果她有足够的时间和金钱－那多半是她的好老公在作出牺牲－她这么读下去当然是好，但时间金钱有限的情况下，就不值了。我一个朋友在UBC读了电脑硕士出来四年了，到现在还找不到专业工，也无力再读别的，要打工养家啊。
-yumig(苦恼);
2005-12-30
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That psychology master is a 25-year-old single girl. She got the OSAP, meanwhile working part time in a retail store. She has supported herself through the post-secondary schooling.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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She told me that she eventualy wanted to open her own clinic and work wth children having psychological problem.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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我的四十多岁前香港人房东就是学这个做这个的，他在香港读了个摄影学士学位，来加读了个心理学学士学位－－全是虚的东西然后在政府里做儿童心理咨询工作，早几年政府要裁员的时候，第一个就把他这样可有可无的人给裁掉了－他还在抱怨种族歧视－只好卷铺盖回香港。平时跟我说话的时候那个狂劲，似乎他有两个学位比我只有一个要强许多，似乎他的英语比我好也很值得他骄傲，靠，我要是出生在香港才不会象他这么差劲呢。
-yumig(苦恼);
2005-12-30
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Still I admire them for their spirit of persistence. It's strange that people need psychologists, but it's so difficult for graduates with psychology degrees to find a professional job.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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How do you know it is 浪费金钱和时间? That she hasn't found a job yet doesn't mean that she won't find jobs forever. Moreover, studying what she likes itself is a payback to herself. Life itself is an experience.She spent time and money on it, she must get something back.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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心理学不是个好找工作的专业，这谁都知道，当然她如果有时间和金钱再去学门别的，然后把心理学与之结合找工，那还是有作用的，但没时间没钱再学别的的话，我看这个心理学学位多半就是个废物了。
-yumig(苦恼);
2005-12-30
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I understand your point. You focus on pursuing financial achievement. Nothing wrong with it. But you have to understant that there are many scholars who enjoy doing studies. Finding a job may notbe their goal of their life. Some of them are pursuing Nobel Price or other Awards. Others want to contribute to the society, help other people. I admire the latter because they care about others more than just money.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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你说得也对，人各有志。但象曹雪芹那样潦倒一生，死后才出名不是我这样的平凡的人的追求，虽然佩服他。
-yumig(苦恼);
2005-12-30
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Me too.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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Welcom back
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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I partly agree that 女人自己对自己的评价更重要, and partly disagree, because no matter how great you define yourself, if others don't think so, still you may end up not well.See, how many great top girls end up aging without marriages.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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Because they think they are great and deserve better, but others don't think so, and top guys have their eyes on other women.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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if marriage means sacrifice, it is better without it.
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-30
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My point is that "sacrifice" does NOT equal "compromise". We should have our basic standards in order to maintain our dignity, but we have to compromise because that is the basis of harmony and happiness,after all, if you do not want to live alone, you have to change a bit.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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My understanding of compromise is that Top Girls should seek guys who have similar interests with her. If Top Girls only seek guys who are compatible in every aspect of her life, they are more likely end up alone.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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But it is hard for people with largely different salaries to have similar interest, and even though their interest is same. Those who cannot afford the interest may not end up together.The basic thing is to change the attitude toward financial status.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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It depends on which degree to which people can tolerate loneliness. Have a look at how many posts at rolia claiming for partners for travel or social life, meaning most people do not like to live alone.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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...depends on to which degree people can tolerate....
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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depends what you want.
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-30
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I think basically, all human beings want one same thing , which is happiness without loneliness.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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我到觉得人的基本素质和高等教育关系不大.西人征昏更注重兴趣相投,对学历工作什么的不向国人那么讲究.另外我不太喜欢这种top,bottom的提法，个人喜欢的职业和生活方式不同而已．
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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agree!
-shaolinhulk(hulk);
2005-12-30
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Right. I guess the definition of top girls in bookworm(晕晕)'s eyes may be those girls who have high rank of degrees and careers.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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Hey, that is so wrong about me. :-)
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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That's why I said "I guess." :)
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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Maybe because the 'college diploma holder' guy has more than just a diploma. Life isn't just about degree, money, big house...If there is more stuff to share between two people, degree difference is not that important.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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agree! 其实我国内的一个博士师姐也嫁了个工人,不知道过得怎么样.
-blackmm(佩妮);
2005-12-30
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Right. But first and most, the ideology such that women marry up and cannot marry down has to be changed in order to reach the point that a female PHD can happily marry a diploma holder.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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I know a woman who has master degree from top one university in China. Her husband only has a diploma. But both of them are very capable. Her husband makes more than a million a year. And she sits on C-levelseat in a big company. ( In China)
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
{34}
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Another reason why they are compatible with each other may be her husband is a millionaire, not just a diploma holder.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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Actually, many Chinese millionaires do not have even a diploma, and they can marry whatever women they want.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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Do you want to marry such men?
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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man please!
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2005-12-30
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Are you saying that I should type Chinese here? If so, that is too bad since Chinese typing is awful. If you are correcting my grammar mistake. I disagree because I use plural insteadof singular, --not "such a man'. :-)
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
{38}
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你想和几个结婚啊.结婚只能和一个人吧!所以用复数不合适! 我只是不喜欢看一堆怪了扒鸡的英文
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2005-12-30
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Sorry, I should have written ' MY Chinese typing is awful'. I can only marry one man in one marriage. :-) Here "such men" means " this kind of men".
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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Don't worry. :) we understand you perfectly. You are right.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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Why not, if he promises that he won't play with other women while having a wife, and can actually keep his promise. :)
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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Cute.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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Oops.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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哈哈，田忌赛马。唯有熟读春秋三国，才能情场不败。
-flare(雪中行);
2005-12-30
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拖家带口移民来加, 经济条件不允许两人一起读书, 男的不愿意让女的去打Labor, 男的自己打工, 女的念书, 女的念出书来了, 就该离婚了, 所以你总发现女的打Labor的少.而男的敢于自己下地狱. 那些心狠点的防犯LP的老公就自己先混出来了,让老婆先受的Labor 的苦, 再生几个孩子,做饭, 老婆就跑不掉了. 要是不用念书,就另当别论了.
-stevey(**);
2005-12-30
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补充, 在家看孩子做饭的女的,你是不会看到他们打Labor工的.
-stevey(**);
2005-12-30
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I think 看孩子做饭 is a work , and a work without payment. Some men cannot see how much women contribute to family life and finance. They pay hired nannies, but do not need to pay their wives for house chores.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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And 看孩子做饭 is also a work without respect, being ignored, and leads to yellow face lady.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
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Not necessarily. Many western women who 看孩子做饭 don't become huang lian po, because they have a sense of image, but some Chinese women lack that sense, and think of image maitenance as expensive,and they try to save money instead of their images, that is, their faces.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
{73}
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when the husband is not worth being respected he is paid back by wife's Huang-Lian instead of angel's smile. You can say the oposite way:the wife is not worth being respected the husband's face is as cold as your girl friend father's face.
-stevey(**);
2005-12-30
{104}
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Sorry that I haven't got your point.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688615@0)
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Question is how many Chinese men are willing to support their wife to take care of her image in this context?
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
(#2688641@0)
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But why women should get their men's support in terms of make-ups? In my view, wearing make-ups or not is a personal business, isn't it?
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688688@0)
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Because some husbands want to save more money. And those husbands don't even care about their image either. If you were a wife of such a man, what would you do?
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
(#2688724@0)
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I won't have this kind of husband in the first place, though I understand your point.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688747@0)
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Some women that I know are much more eager to save money than their husbands.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688757@0)
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Those are very traditional Chinese women.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
(#2688773@0)
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Do you mean current female Chinese immigrants aren't that traditional any more? One of my friends told me that his wife blamed him for making too many phone calls to China.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688911@0)
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I respect 在家做饭看孩子的, 这是牺牲
-stevey(**);
2005-12-30
(#2688449@0)
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My point is that 看孩子做饭 is as same as labour work, which consumes energy, time; and worse than labour work, because it is not paid.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688405@0)
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This is a Chinese phenomenon. What I have seen among non-Chinese immigrants is that mostly men are in school while their wives are at work, especially for those from south asia and east europe.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688397@0)
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确实如你所说,其它国家的男移民大都不会这样, 中国传统的男人其实很不错,.有一些中国的女人不懂得欣赏,感激和珍惜, 而且给男人言语上的刺激太深,好男人也会走向反面的.
-stevey(**);
2005-12-30
(#2688430@0)
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I may not be able to agree with you on this point. I think full-time studying is as hard as labour work, if not harder; and some Chinese men are actually more afraid of studying than women.That may be one of the reasons that they let their wives study.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
{63}
(#2688621@0)
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>>>有些labor工作是比有些full time上学容易, 但也有很多不是,我在这里上过大学,也打过两种不同体力的labor,我给你个机会试试中等强度的labor你就知道了,更何况labor可能受老板的气,还要放下点尊严
-stevey(**);
2005-12-31
(#2690134@0)
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Right.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
(#2690139@0)
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如果你没有经历过真正的高强体力的labor工作, 而只在这里念过书,你的"有些男人怕读书"的结论是不是有点想当然?
我是在这里读书和打Labor工都经历过的,让老板喝来唤去也不是好受的,有些体力活儿你可能3个小时内让你趴下
-stevey(**);
2005-12-31
(#2690157@0)
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Why can't you depend on OSAP ? I cannot study full time while working part time, which is too hard.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
(#2690159@0)
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三言两语回答不了你, 要么怎么说说"家家一本难念的经"呢. 当这本经把你放在不允许你选择osap时, 你就对命运服气了
-stevey(**);
2005-12-31
(#2690169@0)
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sorry, 我可能跟你争论的过火了, 人和人互相理解就好
-stevey(**);
2005-12-31
(#2690164@0)
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要能互相理解,也就用不着离婚了, 不过有时候人和人要想法一致很难, 求同存异吧
-stevey(**);
2005-12-31
(#2690187@0)
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It may also because that those women who came from South Asia and East Europe don't have the same education level as do most Chinese women.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
(#2688707@0)
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Right. I have read that on the average South Asian women have only half of education that South Asian men do. But the touching thing is that no matter how well-educated those men are,they don't pick on their wives' educational backgrounds. South Asians in Canada have one of the lowest divorce rate.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
{118}
(#2688918@0)
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婚姻还在的,大都是男的有专业工作,而婚姻不在的男单,自然很可能是被Lp Layoff的Labor
-stevey(**);
2005-12-30
(#2688398@0)
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So what will you do?
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688406@0)
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踢倒围城, 从废墟里爬起来, 发现太阳亮的刺眼
-stevey(**);
2005-12-30
(#2688436@0)
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Best wishes to you.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688623@0)
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Even top girls are willing to marry middle man, middle man can’t handle the pressure of losing faces in front of their friends and relatives. Men are just lack of confidence on themselves.
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2005-12-30
(#2688613@0)
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But why do those middle western guys not seem to have this kind of pressure that some Chinese men do?
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688629@0)
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That is another homework that some Chinese men have to work on.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-30
(#2688696@0)
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The westerns seem to care less on education, job title, appearance etc.My Italian neighbor’s ex-wife has university degree and my neighbor has only elementary education. They divorced after 5 years of marriage and 2 boys lived with their mother.
I think compatibility plays an important role in a good long lasting marriage.
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2005-12-30
{256}
(#2688920@0)
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Right, especially sexual compatibility plays a critical role in successful marriage. Oprah Winfrey said that around 80% women have never had sexual climax in their whole life, which is hard to believe.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688948@0)
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sexual climax or organsim
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2688950@0)
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嘿，这个ORGASIM偶聊天的时候就没拼对过， 现在也怀疑是不是你拼错了， 可是感觉上你的水平不会拼错，肯定是我错了。。。。
-gnits(mafia);
2005-12-30
(#2689437@0)
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You may find out the right one for all of us in your dictionary, thank, and good night.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2689476@0)
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请问“MIDDLE MAN” 是什么职业？跟MID-WIFE差不多吗？？
-gnits(mafia);
2005-12-30
(#2689406@0)
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Read the post in detail, you will find out the answer by yourself.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2689469@0)