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枫下佳缘 / 快乐单身 / 感觉ASKER同学的英文很好，不让人用英文的是妒嫉。。。我的英文三把刀，想请教一下ASKER老师“I heard that Chinese men are the more difficult ones to please. ” 其中的ARE是应该跟HEARD用WERE还是说用ARE也行啊？
-gnits(mafia);
2005-12-30
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I prefer to use "are" in this sentence, because the action -- I "heard" --happened in the past, so that I used the past tense, but "Chinese men are the most difficult (ones) to please" is an objective statement,so that I think it should be in the present tense instead of the past tense.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
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Should be "to be pleased" ?I can't type chinese right now. Sorry about that.
-greenwhistle(Brownie);
2005-12-30
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I would very much like to answer your question, but I couldn't due to my limited knowledge. You may ask your western friends which one is right , "to be pleased" or "to please". My friends use "to please" as well.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-30
(#2689493@0)
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"to please" is more idiomatic. We say "it is a good thing to do" rather than "it is a good thing to be done".
-chachacha(茉莉花);
2005-12-31
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I heard that Chinese men are the more difficult ones to please的问题more是个比较级,A和B进行比较的时候才用.
Between A and B, A is the more difficult one to please.
如果要单独成句, 要用最高级most.
所以说成 I heard that Chinese men are the most difficult ones to please也不错.
或者你也可以说 I heard that Chinese men are more difficult to please than
the other men in this world.
或者你也可以说 I heard that Chinese men are very difficult to please.
算了,你写你的吧, 我不会看了.
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2005-12-31
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(#2689652@0)
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可能上文有比较的参照物,所以用more也是可以的呀,虽然这句没有参照物出现
-bruno1007(绿豆呢);
2005-12-31
(#2689696@0)
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Thanks. In this sentence, it should be "the most difficult ones". I did not proofread that post. :)
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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I have to apologize for my laziness, because mostly I proof-read my formal papers word by word and sentence by sentence, but in order to keep up with others in online chatting, I do not proof-read my posts.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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Understandable. You answered others' post so quickly. It is even hard for well-educated native English speakers to wirte flawlessly. Not to say we are ESL.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2005-12-31
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"你写你的吧, 我不会看了." Thank you for eventually leaving me alone. :) I would not discuss English grammar with you, because you are not a grammar teacher, even though you have some commom sense of English.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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This is online chatting, so that I may not proofread every single post that I wrote, so that there are spelling and grammatical mistakes , indeed as you may have Chinese spelling mistakes when you post Chinese.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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You are here so early, Asker. 支持，支持， 在这个假期里孤单的人， 刷刷网，看看贴， 也是打发时间的一种方式。
-samedayrightaway(赶路一族);
2005-12-31
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Right, while my friend is writing his own stuff right beside me. :) We are going to the City Hall celebration tonight. Are you going there as well?
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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I want to go dancing tonight. what events will be on at City Hall？ party? or just count down?
-samedayrightaway(赶路一族);
2005-12-31
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Not only count-down, but also a big open air concert. The weather is cold again. :( We will go there around 9 PM and come back home around 2 PM.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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The City Hall celebration is said to be the biggest and most famous new year celebration in Canada, which is not as crazy as that one in NYC though.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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It sounds interesting. have fun. Happy New Year!
-samedayrightaway(赶路一族);
2005-12-31
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从这个帖子看出fullmoonnight在英文水平上的不足。It's totally acceptable to use 'more' in this sentence.
-maile(FinchEast);
2005-12-31
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Right, we can say that Chinese men are better husbands, or best husbands. While in that sentence, I did mean "Chinese men are the most difficult...", though we an use "the more difficult.."
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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Why? Even if you did mean Chinese men are the MORE difficult ones (not necessarily the MOST), you can still use 'more'. So it means Chinese men are the more difficult ones to please (than men in other races).By the way your English is very good (by my standard). How did you lean it so well?
-maile(FinchEast);
2005-12-31
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Right. I try to improve my English by reading academic or formal English.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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对不起先。这个more的用法，我特意请教过这里教了几十年的native speaker 老师。他说这种句子里，difficult is enough. 但很多人非英语母语的人，通常喜欢加more.他不懂为什么。
-once(chocolate);
2005-12-31
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Actually that statement was written by an American reporter , who is a native speaker and did some research on Chinese in America. You have a point though.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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大学六级考试模拟试题的典型案例就是类似的错误选项
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2005-12-31
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No, I do not think so. ==> #2690357. more当比较级用的时候,要有than. 而当有the+ 比较级 + 形容词+sth的时候(Asker文),要有上下文,或用between A and B结构.Asker单独地拽出这么句话,就是病句.
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2006-1-1
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Everybody is enjoying their first day of 2006 save for someone bored. Studying English at this kind of time is all the more boring.
-funnyfancyme(fancy);
2006-1-1
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I wanna know if this "their " is a right usage or not.
-funnyfancyme(fancy);
2006-1-1
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Everybody is enjoying their first day of 2006. 完全正确!
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2006-1-1
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just a little joke , ur first trap in 2006
-funnyfancyme(fancy);
2006-1-1
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不过你的原话里,就这句话是正确的.其他部分全是毛病!
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2006-1-1
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hehe, u just fell into this little trap: save for = except for, all the more= even more. U still have a long way to go......
-funnyfancyme(fancy);
2006-1-1
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I know "all the more"(rarely used this way). But I do not know "save for", I just tried to check the usage "save for" by google but I did not have any luck to get one. Could you provide an example?
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2006-1-1
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u just need a dictionary, and this usage shows a lot in some novels
-funnyfancyme(fancy);
2006-1-1
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"The more difficult ones to please" has NO grammar mistakes. "The" is the infinite article for "ones", NOT the adverb for "more". But it's also right to use "most" here.I suggest you read more English books. The grammar we have learnt in textbooks is not enough.
Honestly, I dont think your english is THAT good, but I understand it makes people happy to believe "i am the best". No offense : )
By the way, I cannot input Chinese... that's why I write in English.
-chachacha(茉莉花);
2005-12-31
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You should read more English books. 这里的more很明显不是比较级.You should read more English books. more在这里是形容词因为它后面跟的是名词.本身是更多的意思.
而当more用在形容词前面的时候,就是副词--比较级.比较一下:
More difficult 和More difficulties的不同
more difficult ones, more是副词而不是形容词.双形容词并列修饰名词时,单个形容词也可以用来修饰这个名词. 你没有办法所more ones,尽管你可以说difficult ones. 所以Asker文中的more是副词,当比较级用
"The grammar we have learnt in textbooks is not enough". 嘿嘿,真的学好了 嘛?读透了吗?
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2005-12-31
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I dont know what you are arguing about. Apparently you didn't understand what I was saying."More" here is of course an adverb, but "the" is not an adverb for "more", but an article for "ones", so here it doesn't have to be followed by "most". "More difficult" is an adjective phrase for "ones". "The more" is not always wrong --- you need to read the whole sentence. Lots of people have taken TOEFL. And maybe quite a few got perfect in grammar. So think twice before you show off.
-chachacha(茉莉花);
2006-1-1
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我说的不是the有问题,我前面的一个例子里有The more difficult one的例子#2689652,我是说这种用法是比较级,不能离开上下文而存在.我给你看得文章中也有"Maybe that is the better way".如果没有上下文时,要指定两者A和B, 没有限定时, the就错了!
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2006-1-1
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"指定两者A和B" is not necessary here because we all understand Asker was comparing Chinese men with the men from other countries. There IS context from which you can guess the meaning of that sentence.Anyways, I have no intention to convince you, 'cause I know you think highly of yourself. : )
-chachacha(茉莉花);
2006-1-1
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我的确没有找到她的上文,我一点也看不出她是把我们和谁比,日本男人,美国男人,黑
人,印巴人还是全世界其他的男人.我只是个比较认真的人.你对我的看法有误.
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2006-1-1
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偶英文不够精劲，口语经常有小错误，曾经很自卑，自从N年前打工的时候跟一个当地的同事聊天，她在描述她做了什么的时候用了很长的一句排比“I DOES THIS， I DOESTHAT， I DOES。。。。， I DOES。。。。”从此后自卑一扫而光而且无所畏惧地开始胡说八道。。。。。
这样时间长了有时候居然糊涂了正确的语法是什么，甚至从前从不含糊的语法，也有点那不准了
-gnits(mafia);
2005-12-31
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I think different Canadians have different education. Well-educated Canadians will not use "I does.." . Another example is "I don't do nothing."
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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I agree with you the fact that well-educated Canadians wouldn't say 'I does.....", but I did hear from a lot of well educated Canadians, native, say 'don't do nothing'.Language is such a cultural thing that different cultures (of English) made this language so alive and diversified. Just like Shanghainese say '不要太好噢‘, which doesn't make sense gramartically but it's so widely accepted.
-maile(FinchEast);
2005-12-31
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You are absolutely right. Originally "Don't do nothing" came from Black English which was spoken by Black slaves back then, and still spoken by less-educated blacks all over North America.Like some white people speak English with a black accent. Yes, it is a cultural thing.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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那正是我想说的，高标准严要求不是不好，影响到自己的自信心就不好了。政客们的E文当然不是LABOR工人的英文，但是知道还有提高空间就好，还要知道大多数人的E文都不比你好更重要
-gnits(mafia);
2005-12-31
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Thanks for your suggestions. :)
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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同意！其实语言就是让人懂而已，不用吹毛求疵。爱讲E文讲E文，爱讲中文讲中文，管他对错。再说，大家写的中文就完全没有问题了？不过，有时候上一天班后，已经看了一天洋文，讲了一天洋话了。看看Rolia是当作眼保健操来用的，大家能写中文就尽量写中文吧，哈哈。大家一起开心好了。
-zhbuser(我在干嘛);
2005-12-31
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My suggestion is that you may learn better from Canadians who can speak more appropriately. Just because he/she is a native English speaker doesn't mean he/she can speak well.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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当然，跟她说话不等于我要跟她学“i does“， 那时候俺还LABOR呢，不过不LABOR了还是有这样的情况，只是少了罢了。
-gnits(mafia);
2005-12-31
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North American English isn't as difficult as British English, in which Queen's or King's or London English is regarded as upper class and proper English, while others are not.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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您的E文握们只看到了书面的，至于贵族E文，这辈子我是没戏了，英式英文的音实在是模仿不来，偶曾有老师讲英式英文，认为北美把英文糟蹋得不成样子，不过那又怎么样，加拿大没准哪天把女王也休了，UPPER不UPPER的我们也不去英国
-gnits(mafia);
2005-12-31
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Yeah. Who cares about upper? As long as it is appropriate, it is OK. It is reported that the functional illiteracy rate in Canadian middle schools is increasing, meaning more and more students graduate without knowinghow to write proper English and do simple math.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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不用担心，什么都没了还有考古学家撑着
-gnits(mafia);
2005-12-31
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:)
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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You certainly have the chance to hear and read 贵族E文. Haven't you heard the Christmas speech by Queen Elizabeth II? I listen to her every year. Hers is 贵族E文.
-asker(asker);
2005-12-31
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我就知道道别的时候贵族说“GOOD DAY”，俺说“HAVE A NICE DAY”，要是让俺非改成“GOOD DAY" , 非疯了不可，一个LABOR工非说贵族E文，估计不利于身心健康，如果偶哪天真成了贵族，一定努力学习贵族E文
-gnits(mafia);
2005-12-31
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我就是担心类似的帖子读多了,自己的英语就会退化了.
-fullmoonnight(圆月夜.老狼);
2005-12-31
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