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枫下佳缘 / 快乐单身 / 我个人更喜欢不那么自信的女人，她们对男人更有依惦感，作为男人则因而会有更强
烈的责任感，家庭会更牢固。有些女人声称要男人作啥？结果当然是各奔东
西。
-talkdirectly(有话直说);
2006-1-5
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Normally, 自信的 people have a positive attitude toward life and future. I have never met any men in my life who dislike 自信的 women, which is the same case with women.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-5
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The point is that "有些女人声称要男人作啥" doesn't mean 自信. 自信 women don't think of their men's success as a must, instead, they don't push their men around,and they believe that their life can be good with or without men's success.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-5
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agree with you to some extent. but, on the other hand, they do not have confidence in the relationship with men.
-lostindarkness(lostpeople);
2006-1-6
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大男人主意不好。
-may2002beijing(may2002beijing);
2006-1-5
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很自信的女人自然是非常优秀，当朋友肯定再好不过了，但当妻子确不一定。LG、LP都非常优秀，外面的人看起来似乎很美满，但自己过起日子来可不一定。生活中许多
事情并无对错，难的是整合意见分歧。很自信的女人常常喜欢按她自己设定的方向前进，结果久而久之便与男人渐行渐远，最后自然分道扬镖。
-talkdirectly(有话直说);
2006-1-6
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那叫自傲，不叫自信。以为自己比别人能力大点，就可以把别人叱之以鼻
-lostindarkness(lostpeople);
2006-1-6
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自信 <>优秀，自信不能送往成功之路，他只能在成功之路上勉励你，因为它使你相信你能成功，但不表示你能成功
-lostindarkness(lostpeople);
2006-1-6
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明白，要互补。我这人就不是很自信，可是。。
-may2002beijing(may2002beijing);
2006-1-7
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有道理
-maxtrixgg(MaxtrixGG);
2006-1-5
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很没有道理。何谓自信，自信是一种相信自己的能力的一种心理状态。如果一个人不喜欢一个人是因为那个人很自信，我敢说这个人本身就没有自信，也可以说他是自卑。
-lostindarkness(lostpeople);
2006-1-6
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一个男人有没有责任感和自信没有好大的牵连。一个不成功的人，一个没有自信心的人，他一样可以有很好的责任感。
-lostindarkness(lostpeople);
2006-1-6
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人有多面性.我更主张: 不同场合不同角色. 但是对于角色的转变尺度要掌握好,因为有时候是很难晚上5点之前是女强人,5点之后是贤妻. 但是至少要努力从心理上从态度上往这方面努力.
-nini1998(满月(妮妮));
2006-1-6
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能做到那样当然是神了。但人比竟只是人啊。个人感觉是要女人又做强人又做贤妻是
不现实的也是不公平的。比较理智的想法是放开手得了。各奔前程也许大家活得都
轻松点。要去忙活了，已后再陪你这位“强人贤妻”再聊。
-talkdirectly(有话直说);
2006-1-6
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当然能做到, 看做太太的是否想往这个方向努力. 在公司里面如果工作原因必须指手画脚,但是回家千万不要.
-nini1998(满月(妮妮));
2006-1-6
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Margaret Thatcher is a classical example.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-7
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亚洲不自信的女人比自信的多很多（看过一个调查），即使很富有，很漂亮，很年轻的女人。。。
-once(chocolate);
2006-1-6
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这个我特同意。满吃亏的。
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2006-1-6
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嗯，除了吃亏，主要是缺少自信心的人自己活得比较累。。。
-once(chocolate);
2006-1-7
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Absolutely right.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2006-1-7
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Same in Canada. I ever watched a survey about self-confidence in appearance conducted by Citytv over a random selected sample of Canadian. The result shows that 95% Canadian women do NOT think they are pretty althoughsome of them actually are, while 100% Canaidan men think them are handsome although some of them are definitely NOT.
-bookworm(晕晕);
2006-1-6
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哈哈。。。所以，这里的男人对女人自信心的误会很大哈
-once(chocolate);
2006-1-7
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Yeah. A report says that good-looking lawyers earn much more than not-good-looking ones; and pretty women more easily find dreamy jobs.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-7
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自信的女人男人也未必喜欢，担心太强势控制不了
-lizpan(Knock);
2006-1-6
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因为你自己没有自信
-diver();
2006-1-6
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自信的女人才美丽。可以看一下任何一个选美比赛的冠军哪有不自信的。是否有依赖感和自信是两个概念。不喜欢自信的女人的男人多数对自己不那么自信。
-haoxia74(haoxia);
2006-1-6
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打赌你不是男的!
-xiaoxiaom(xiaoxiao);
2006-1-6
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I agree. :)
-asker(asker);
2006-1-7
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I couldn't agree more.
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-9
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我也很同意楼主的说法
-chrisa(囡囡);
2006-1-7
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男人还是喜欢自信和聪明的女人，而且她能使男人更快成熟。
-howcomescanada(归去来);
2006-1-7
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我怎么觉得自信和女人味是两码事情呢.
-nini1998(满月(妮妮));
2006-1-7
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I think 自信和女人味 include each other, if that woman is truly 自信, such as the former British Prime Minister--Margaret Thatcher, who is a perfect combination of 自信和女人味.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-7
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所以我觉得楼主的问题有些怪. 他认为自信的女人就必须家庭有问题,自信的女人就没有女人应该有的依赖和女人味,自信的女人的男人就没有责任感...觉得很FUNNY.
-nini1998(满月(妮妮));
2006-1-7
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Right.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-7
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Margaret Thatcher is my idol. No matter how busy she is, she is always cooking her family breakfast, which is the first and foremost thing that she does at the beginning of every day.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-7
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No matter how 自信 we are, first and foremost we are women. Femininity is the solid basis of 自信. Another example is Jennifer Aniston.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-7
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I like her as a person, I don't like she puts career before family though. I like 山口百惠.
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-11
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I don't think Jennifer Aniston puts her career before family, instead, I think she has them both equally in her heart. I admire her for her elegant sense of humour facing personal crisis.I like Yamakutch as well, whether she has family over career or vise versa.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-11
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I also read in one of her biographies that most of her male colleagues have some feelings for her in terms of her facial femininity especially when they are with her in private.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-11
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同意!自信与女人味不应该对立的. 在国内的时候听到撒切耳夫人的外号是'铁良子', 国内鲜有关于铁良子女人味的报道. Asker哪里看的文章?
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-9
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The British Sun reported Thatcher as the sexiest celebrity at least twice based on polls.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-11
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Yes, Margaret Thatcher is "Iron Lady" in terms of her policy and administration style, not in terms of her personality toward her family members. She is extremely gentle to her daughter and son.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-11
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自信而有女人味的女人是真女人.
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-11
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But the majority of women cannot reach this level. We may have it as our ideal or goal, but we may not be able to fulfil it eventually due to genetic personality and environment.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-11
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这样心态的国男多半也是缺乏自信心． Garfield 里有一个笑话：这样心态的国男多半也是缺乏自信心． Garfield 里有一个笑话：
＇IF YOU WANT TO APPEAR SMARTER, HANG AROUND SOMEONE STUPIDER.＇两个缺乏自信的人较难建立一个稳固的婚姻．一帆风顺的时候还行， 一旦遇上一点困难／挫折， 容易互相埋怨；而自信心的人有担当， 能够面对现实， 从自己身上开始来解决问题．
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-10
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I want to see this Judge 水晶心
-xyz0001(多情应笑我);
2006-1-10
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Garfield 是一个卡通人物 -- 一只猫.
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-10
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“从自己身上开始来解决问题”。说得真好。你生活中遇到过问题吗？能说说你是如
何“从自己身上开始来解决问题”吗？最好能来个亲身例子。我很想学学你“解决
问题”的好办法呢。
-talkdirectly(有话直说);
2006-1-10
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缺乏自信的人遇到困难就只找客观原因,埋怨环境, 埋怨别人; 而自信的人知道除了客观原因外, 还应该从主观上来找找原因, 来努力.
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-10
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亲身例子?
-talkdirectly(有话直说);
2006-1-10
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部分吧, 这很重要吗? 听过人分三等的故事吗?人分三等
说的是一个人在路上行走, 来了一个人说前面有一个大坑, 得绕道而行, 否则会掉坑里去. 这人听了, 果然绕道而行, 他没有掉坑里去. -- 这个人是一等人
还有一个人听了警告, 不相信仍然往前走, 结果他掉进坑里去了; 不过他第二次知道记取教训, 绕道而行, 第二次没有掉坑里去. -- 这个人是二等人
再有一个人听了警告, 不相信仍然往前走, 结果他掉进坑里去了; 第二次他没有记取教训, 没有绕道而行, 依然往前走, 结果他第二次又掉坑里去. -- 这个人是三等人
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-11
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说句实在话,我不知道有几个男子会娶一个雄辩的妻子.Asker和水晶心,没有冒犯你们的意思. 但是看你们如此雄辩的口才和不把对方说服就不罢休的决心, 让人感到你们是非常叙道的人. 其实两个人在一起生活, 最重要的是妥协. 是不是能够迁就对方的弱点. 你们两个就不能闭嘴一会, 让别人都清静一下.
把自己的观点表达出来就行了, 为什么一定要一二再, 再而三的去说明说明说明. 这恐怕是你料想不到的自身的弱点吧?这不是自信, 是自负.
我只是善意的规劝. 根据你们两个人的性格特征, 我预计会有暴风骤雨的会帖.那就更证明了我的判断.
-xyz0001(多情应笑我);
2006-1-11
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谢谢提醒!
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-11
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为什么你就不能闭嘴一会, 让别人都清静一下? 男人絮叨如你, 宽于待己严于律人, 真是好可怕
-7y7(醉里吴音);
2006-1-11
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我都看他们争论这个"自信""不自信""自负"的问题10天了.就多了这么一会嘴. 换个
话题吧. 论坛嘛, 不是擂台, 不用分高下. 论坛谈得投机, 就约会约会. 如果投机,
就做朋友. 何必非得说服对方.
-xyz0001(多情应笑我);
2006-1-11
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This is not 说服 someone, but to demonstrate whatever is in our minds, and share with you our thoughts. I didn't say you were wrong or I was right, and what I said is what I thought.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-11
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我同意你说的“其实两个人在一起生活, 最重要的是妥协. 是不是能够迁就对方的弱点. ”。另外补充一下雄辩的男人也很难让人忍受。
-whatislove(什么是爱);
2006-1-11
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哈哈大笑, 求同存异, 求同存异
-xyz0001(多情应笑我);
2006-1-11
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雄辩的男人也很难让人忍受? I don't think so, at least I can stand with this type of men comfortably, as long as he can express himself reasonably.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-11
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雄辩的男士, 我喜欢, 雄辩的女士, 我也喜欢, 只要是雄辩的合理, 只要不是胡搅蛮缠. 俗话说"理不辩不明"
-ibelieveicanfly(东边日出西边雨);
2006-1-11
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I believe you can fly
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-11
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a plane. haha...
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-11
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悄悄跟你说i am on your sides *_*
-ibelieveicanfly(东边日出西边雨);
2006-1-11
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因为那边下雨了是吗? :)))
-crystal_clear(水晶心);
2006-1-11
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我们俩啊-------一起撑着------一把小雨伞--------
-ibelieveicanfly(东边日出西边雨);
2006-1-11
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Some people may 雄辩 on line but not in reality or private. They may be extremely shy in person.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-11
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I definitely agree that 其实两个人在一起生活, 最重要的是妥协., but the point is that I am at rolia for communication , not for boyfriend-finding. 生活 and chatting on Rolia are two different things, don't you think?
-asker(asker);
2006-1-11
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身有体会
-lostindarkness(lostpeople);
2006-1-11
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我想再自信再强的女人都会想找个人依靠的吧！要是老公能安心依靠为什么不靠呢？但是遇到靠不住的男人又有什么办法呢？
-whatislove(什么是爱);
2006-1-11
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Right, the majority of women want to end up happily ever after.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-11
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"遇到靠不住的男人又有什么办法呢?" My answer will be to leave him as soon as possible, or perhaps never have this type of men as my friends in the first place.
-asker(asker);
2006-1-11
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