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枫下拾英 / 乐韵书香 / 06' 夏季音乐之旅(二) 意大利那波里民歌 <重归苏莲托> (帕瓦罗蒂演唱)。。。
-maer(马儿);
2006-7-30
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My! I will come back to it for sure. :)
-asker(amour);
2006-7-31
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Do you have his "Oh, mio sole" as well?
-asker(amour);
2006-7-31
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I am listening to it right now. Who else will take his place while he's gone? Nobody for sure.
-asker(amour);
2006-7-31
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Noone can take his place. 他的音色是独一无二的，至今没有一个人具有那种“烈性”的音色。
-maer(马儿);
2006-8-1
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马儿有空找点老唱片来, 听听Del Monaco, Franco Corelli, Jussi Bjorling 的.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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老迷来一个Bjorling的，啥样？：D
-maer(马儿);
2006-8-1
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好, 等有空的时候把他们的一人来一首
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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Yeppee... thx LaoMi!
-maer(马儿);
2006-8-1
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顶一下。
-eagle_no1(瞎起哄);
2006-7-31
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老帕的歌唱就是没有灵魂，除了那几个现在已经不成为高难的高音，什么也没有。
-jessye7491(琴键上的舞蹈);
2006-7-31
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顶一下。
-eagle_no1(瞎起哄);
2006-7-31
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一看就知道崇拜咱多哥，呵呵
-simoncowell(我是judge我怕谁？);
2006-7-31
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这只是我个人的感觉，我还是偏爱女声的抒情作品。呵呵^_^
-jessye7491(琴键上的舞蹈);
2006-7-31
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顶一下。
-x888(只干正经事儿);
2006-7-31
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这老家伙年老音衰，是不招人喜欢，你也不能说“什么都没有”啊，楼上的顶也是瞎顶。。。
-noproblem(大可以);
2006-7-31
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谁年老色衰招人喜欢? 他那些演出就是为了他的粉丝. 忠实粉丝不在乎他唱的怎样, 只要他张嘴就行, 回家再听唱片找补.
-ro-ro(LazyRiver);
2006-7-31
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就象一群幼稚的初中生狂爱香港小帅哥？呵呵。
-jessye7491(琴键上的舞蹈);
2006-7-31
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然。
-maer(马儿);
2006-8-1
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青菜萝卜各有所爱, 我就好老帕这口, 对多哥不感冒.
-onionring(onionring);
2006-7-31
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顶这个. 老帕唱有些歌的无人能超越.
-ro-ro(LazyRiver);
2006-7-31
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没有血肉的躯体是无法打动人的， 如果演绎歌曲只为显示声音就失去歌唱的意义。
-jessye7491(琴键上的舞蹈);
2006-7-31
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Definitely. He is the one, and the only one.
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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no, there was a Bjorling before him, they both have god-given voice, both are bad actors, and both are famous for lack of discipline, overweight and getting drunk too often.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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It's like both Gong Li and Zhang Ziyi are beautiful, but some of us like Gong, and others like Zhang. I think Pavarotti is the cuttest guy alive in the world: the magic combination of brother, lover, friend and fatherin terms of his personality and style.
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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客观地说, 他唱的<爱的甘醇>和<波西米亚人>的第一幕还是很感人的, 若是在十年前, 后者可能是我去荒岛必带的CD.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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帕瓦罗蒂大碗脾气是真的，但他也是有蛮多把刷子的。
-maer(马儿);
2006-8-1
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那么好的voice, 可惜了.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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大碗都具有这种品性。。。我有帕瓦罗蒂60-70年代演出的歌剧，那时的他看上去蛮顺眼的，年纪轻轻。。。估计尚未有脾气的说。。。
-maer(马儿);
2006-8-1
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尤以卡拉斯为甚，他们管耍大牌叫doing Callas.
-ro-ro(LazyRiver);
2006-8-1
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但Calls是一个非常严肃的musician.1958年她在里斯本演<茶花女>时, 每次唱到第四幕的一个悲伤的独唱时, 总是用很低的音, 唱到最后就总是唱"破"了. 指挥实在忍不住对她说, ＂Maria, 为什么你开头时不唱高一点，这样到最后就很容易唱了，一带而过？＂她的回答是：＂不，我不会改变我的唱法的，我唱的是一个患绝症即将死去的女人．＂
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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卡拉斯把戏剧性放在美声之上，我想这是很多人喜欢她的原因。
-ro-ro(LazyRiver);
2006-8-1
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帕瓦罗蒂's 大碗脾气 is kind of cute, which is different from those Hollywood superstars. Perhaps I just love him so much that I can bear all his imperfection.:)
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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多明戈的音色以圆润为长，给人华美的感觉。。。但并不是什么歌曲都是适合圆润的嗓子来演唱。。。有些歌曲需要帕瓦罗蒂这样的“破锣”的、烈性的音色，效果更好。。。
-maer(马儿);
2006-8-1
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老帕的嗓子是烈性的? 我怎么觉得太轻淡了呢?
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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他的音色是开放性的、烈性的。
-maer(马儿);
2006-8-1
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"多明戈的音色以圆润为长，给人华美的感觉。。。" I feel that compared with Pavarotti, 多明戈
is like a pop star in opera world.
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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正好相反. 多明哥在歌剧艺术里的地位要远远超过老帕. 如果你去歌剧圈内做个survey, 问二十世纪战最好的男高音有谁, 多明哥肯定是名列前五名的, 而老帕能进前十名就不错了.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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那是因为多名哥的扮相好，老帕的扮相差。。。
-noproblem(大可以);
2006-8-1
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:))))))))))))))
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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你这个好色之徒!!! :)))) 引用一段Callas的话, 正好适用与老帕与老多."If the time comes when my dear friend Renata Tebaldi sings Norma or Lucia one night, then Violetta, La Gioconda, or Medea the next----then and only then will we be rivals. Otherwise it is like comparing Champagne with Cognac. No---with Coca-Cola"
Yes, Callas has a huge ego, but she had a valide point!
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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Then, do we need to compare Pavarotti with other tenors, good or bad?
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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The point is that Domingo is a much more complete singer with a much wider repertory.Domingo is a lyric tenor, a spinto tenor, and a dramatic tenor, while Pavarotti is just a good lyric tenor (or coca-cola in Callas' language).
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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He is the best lyric tenor in my eyes, though. I just can't listen to Domingo that mesmerizingly as I do Pavarotti, cause it's like Pavarotti is a singer, while Domingo is an actor.
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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Domingo is great, just that he has too many different talents that might distract me from his vocal essence.
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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全能选手总分可能最高，但单项却不一定最好。总不能别人说你这个歌唱的不如谁谁，你说我唱那个比他好。
-ro-ro(LazyRiver);
2006-8-1
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嗯, 这个比喻很恰当.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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Right. Sometimes, we might just get carried away by splendid or flaboyant style on surface, and ignore what is real underneath.
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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空侃无凭，先让我们看看你的top 10 list.
-ro-ro(LazyRiver);
2006-8-1
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以前曾经帖过. 今晚有空再帖.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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Oh, brother, do you really believe those surveys? :)
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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Of course, I trust their peers' opinion as well as my own ears.Don't get me wrong, I did not say Pavarotti is not a good singer. He is, and that's why I paid a full month stipend to listen to him in Beijing 20 years ago. But to me, he is just not a first class opera singer.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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Got your point, just that to me, he is, though. :)
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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sure, to me 张权 is a great opera singer. :)
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2006-8-1
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Don't scare me. :)
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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帕瓦罗蒂的烈性的音色，演绎那波里民歌，很恰当的说！！！使人感受意大利的阳光、炎夏。。。意大利的酒、甚至意大利足球。。。对不对？
-maer(马儿);
2006-8-1
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他唱bel canto也好啊。那些歌剧不需要很强的戏剧刻画，却需要完美的声音，那些抒情角色很适合他。他是男高音中唯一能照Bellini原谱唱的人，能唱到high D而面不改色。听他那华丽而充满能量的声音在高音区自由飞翔，真是一种享受啊！
-ro-ro(LazyRiver);
2006-8-1
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然！
-maer(马儿);
2006-8-1
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He is definitely the son of Italy in terms of everything and anything.
-asker(amour);
2006-8-1
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“意大利之子：帕瓦罗蒂”--- 灰常恰当的说！！！
-maer(马儿);
2006-8-1
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