Topic: 为虾米一个普通人都能回答的问题, Obama只能吱吱呜呜? 问题是”你认为在怀孕的那个阶段,婴儿能享有人权?”, 既享有生存权,而不是像母亲的盲肠或扁桃体一样. @华人论坛:枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of

枫下茶话 / 政治经济 / 为虾米一个普通人都能回答的问题, Obama只能吱吱呜呜? 问题是”你认为在怀孕的那个阶段,婴儿能享有人权?”, 既享有生存权,而不是像母亲的盲肠或扁桃体一样. -calgarian(拥抱爱的梦想); 2008-9-3 {1241} (#4658450@0)

为体内婴儿提供特别保护against暴力犯罪, 这是正确的.也说明了体内婴儿和母亲体内的其它器官有区别的.重要的是为体内婴儿提供保护,而不是争论Abortion. -calgarian(拥抱爱的梦想); 2008-9-3 (#4658469@0)

你这不是白马非马吗？你的首贴讨论母亲怀孕时的婴儿（就是胎儿）的人权问题，但是现在不要讨论Abortion翻译成中文就是杀死胎儿的问题，你想说什么？是不是突然发现跟党中央步调不一致了？ -duoshaosuanshao(不多也); 2008-9-3 (#4658472@0)

非也, 胎儿生存权的问题解决了更有利合理解决Abortion. 所以胎儿生存权是主要矛盾.这个问题不解决空口争论Abortion没有出路. -calgarian(拥抱爱的梦想); 2008-9-3 (#4658476@0)

Bristol Palin can make babies even if she is only 17yrs, with men. "For the first time, the real image of conservative is in media spotlight by Ms. Palin: smart, brave, determined, love live, family" HAHAHAHAHA
-axe(Just A Joke); 2008-9-3 (#4658534@0)

No abortion, no wedlock, no legal age required to have a baby. Just like Sarah Palin’s 17yr old daughter. What a wonderful conservative’s family value. What a joke- "Sarah Palin's VP candidacy has a far more profound meaning in US politics. -axe(Just A Joke); 2008-9-3 {2562} (#4658533@0)
In principal, I wholeheartedly support the right of the unborn baby and totally agree that there should a time after which abortion should not be carried out, like somewhere in between several weeks into pregnancy. -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-9-3 {591} (#4658546@0)

说了半天,这个问题是个复杂社会问题,政治人物都无解,LZ自己阵营吱吱呜呜,指责对方没有底气.我不知道Obama怎样/如何吱吱呜呜,没有原始报道我不能人云亦云,一般讲,自由党/民主党对此理直气壮:生育权和不生育权(堕胎权)是妇女人权,不能用圣经做政治道德判断,Over.反而保守人士 -duoshaosuanshao(不多也); 2008-9-3 {649} (#4660480@0)

it is exactly opposite. 保守党对此理直气壮人士, 自由党有想法永远不敢大声说出来. please check the youtube tape. it is a interview which just happend last month. Obama is 自由党, and Mccain is 保守党 -spruce(toastmaster); 2008-9-3 {319} (#4660493@0)

youwhy you don't just post the whole thing if you think you have a strong opinion? -spruce(toastmaster); 2008-9-4 (#4661051@0)
that vedio show the important point. why you don't just post the whole thing if you think you have a strong opinion? -spruce(toastmaster); 2008-9-4 (#4661052@0)
this vedio didn't distort anything, it highlights the important different. -spruce(toastmaster); 2008-9-4 (#4661056@0)

"没有一个保守党/共和党职业政客，敢于这么明目张胆地说出来" 哈哈哈哈, 看看McCain和Obama的回答吧. McCain的回答没有丝毫犹疑"在conception", 而Obama"It is beyond my paygrade" -calgarian(拥抱爱的梦想); 2008-9-3 (#4660887@0)

I admire your courage admitting the rights of the unborn. Hope one day, you will take actions to protect their right to live, since they cannot defend themselves. -calgarian(拥抱爱的梦想); 2008-9-3 (#4660867@0)

奢谈婴儿人权反对堕胎反对pro-choice的人，我觉得真是t-m-d站着说话不腰疼，这么要求别人太虚伪了！你自己去养一个弱智儿子/女儿试试看！你不但自己一辈子要搭进去，而且大概要花很多别人贡献的税钱。反过来孩子还不一定觉得来此世上走一遭是件高兴骄傲的事。 -jhdf(江湖大夫); 2008-9-5 (#4664280@0)

Valid point -axe(Just A Joke); 2008-9-5 (#4664288@0)
how do you know that 孩子还不一定觉得来此世上走一遭是件高兴骄傲的事? -spruce(toastmaster); 2008-9-5 (#4664307@0)

well, normal people feel bad about them. but those disabled people do have the right to live if they don't want to end their life. -spruce(toastmaster); 2008-9-5 (#4666441@0)

我明白楼主的意思。这些人中的大多数其实更想有个正常的来生。it's not they should terminate their life after they started; it's that they prefer not to START this life -- abortion is to stop before the self-conscious life starts! -activist(positive); 2008-9-5 (#4666532@0)

Thank u! finally someone from the left would not mingle it with abortion. If you prefer, the other way I can put the question is "when does life start?", and "who can start life and own other life?" -calgarian(拥抱爱的梦想); 2008-9-5 (#4666558@0)

Still arguing about abortion right in 21st century which is passed as law in 1970s. the Republican is such horriblly stupid animaland unfair to women. -doc1234(china); 2008-9-5 {20} (#4664375@0)

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